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Armed & Friendly (Newspaper article on the gun culture in India)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by abhijeet, May 8, 2007.

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  1. abhijeet

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    ARMED AND FRIENDLY


    [5 May, 2007 TIMES NEWS NETWORK]


    Plenty of loopholes in the writing, but a still a welcome break from the constant negative press gun owners keep getting in India.

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet
     
  2. obxned

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    How did a person of Korean descent give people of Indian descent a bad name? I'm just a dumb American with mostly German and English ancestors, but even I know India and Korea are miles apart in location, culture, history, languages, and cuisines.

    Heck, this is America. I'm not even embarrassed by having those English ancestors, in spite of the fact that so far they are the only ones who have attacked and burned the White House.

    Sure hope that the Secret Service frisked that old British broad that was visiting Bush - she might have had a concealed BIC.
     
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    That was a positive article?! :what: Holy moly, I thought we had it bad . . . .
     
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    I'd think when the author wrote "Cho had given people like them a bad name", she was referring to firearms owners, not Koreans or Indians.
     
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  6. abhijeet

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    Yep! Mike you are right - she (the author is a woman) - was referring to firearm owners in general, and not to Cho's ethnicity.

    Honestly, we do consider this a pretty positive article down here! I would seriously doubt that ANY state in the USA could have as restrictive gun laws as India does! Wait up you say?! How about CA/ NY/ DC for example? Well, if one reads the letter of the law here, then maybe yes - those areas are indeed more restrictive (in certain ways) - HOWEVER, the law here leaves the final decision at the discretion of whether or not to issue a permit - COMPLETELY - in the hands of bureaucrats! This has ensured that unless you are well connected OR can manage to bribe someone - you have a very very slim chance of getting a license to own a firearm. Allow me to give you a statistic - as per Delhi Police records (the arms licensing authority in Delhi) - there were ONLY 55,000 arms license holders in Delhi in 2002! This is one of the wealthiest cities in India and one with a population of a shade under 2 million.... the same Delhi Police commissioner WENT ON RECORD to say that in Delhi (as per police estimates) the total number ILLEGAL (unlicensed) firearms in the city was at least FOUR TIMES the number of LEGAL firearms - of course I would doubt the police estimates, and personally think that the number of illegal firearms would be much higher.... The simple fact is the law is unable to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, only penalising law abiding citizens and preventing them from defending themselves!

    The usual media attitude (here) towards guns/ gun ownership is almost pure unadulterated IANSA propaganda! There are some good guys in the media here too, and some of them actually know their guns, but they are few and far between... and mostly overridden by editorial pressures for better circulations/ higher viewer ratings etc.

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet
     
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    Maddock, glad to hear you enjoyed reading that... and thanks for the kudos :)

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet
     
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    Great post! I enjoy hearing from fellow gun owners in other countries, and we don't hear from India very often. Good to learn about IFG and that someone there is trying to win public support and maybe get some laws changed.

    Excellent point brought out about how gun restrictions date back to the colonial times and control of the population (subjects) by the Raj. that is a principle we gun owners need to reiterate always: no guns = subjects, guns = citizens.

    Thanks for the good read!
     
  9. abhijeet

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    Run&Shoot,

    Most welcome @ "good read" ;)

    It's an unpopular cause, the thing that really gets most of us is - even most gun owners one meets here are not for RKBA!! :O

    They of course almost always belong to the privileged classes and the concept of the masses having access to firearms disturbs them greatly! :p When a fellow gun owners begin to talk like that...

    Anyhow, gotta scoot now - getting late, and I have a document to wrap up before I can hit the sack without feeling guilty.... ;)

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet
     
  10. slabsides

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    Somewhat easy to understand restrictive firearms laws in a country so crammed with people. Where would one go to hunt or shoot? Let's be thankful that here in the US we still have wide open spaces!
     
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    Excellent post. I'm glad to see some bastions of sanity around the world. It's also good to be reminded that the sort of firearm I regard as little more than fodder for horse trading is a treasured item elsewhere. That PPK they mention runs about $250 here. The market is full of postwar PPK's right now. But elsewhere getting a legal pistol is like getting a legal machine gun stateside.

    I don't think it's too easy. I had some business dealings with a fellow from India who envied my state's hunting laws. He found it ironic that so many of India's national parks only existed because they had been established as shooting preserves, but hunting anything now--at least legally--was troublesome.
     
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    Welcome to the High Road Abhijeet!
     
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    Abhijeet:
    Actually, NY is in much better shape than Massachussetts, CA, DC, and poor, poor Illinois.

    And none of the above require a vasectomy! Although ive seen a few irresponsible gun owners who I would have recommended it for.
     
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    abhijeet

    Welcome!! If you are ever in the Northern Illinois or Southern Wisconsin area for business or pleasure, feel free to drop us a note.

    I'd be happy to treat you to a day of shooting (or pheasant hunting). I might even have an Ishy 2A in here somewhere down in the mil-surp pile we could wring out.
     
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    Great story, thanks for posting it! Its nice to know there are other members of the gun culture around the world. :)
     
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    Greetings abhijeet!

    Thanks for sharing that article. IFG sounds like it has many things in common with THR.
     
  17. jpk1md

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    I love the last line of the article...I'll probably catch heck for the reprint but :neener:

    Class 3 in India?
     
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    Well done!
     
  19. abhijeet

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    Slabsides - Yep, India has more than a billion people! However, allow me to point out that India is where the big game hunt was invented, unfortunately due to poor wildlife management (post-independence) we have lost most of our forest cover - to petty greed and political expedience! :fire: Currently all forms of hunting are illegal in India, which further exacerbates the problem - when the hunters leave, the poachers come right in!

    But that's another issue altogether, the vast majority of firearms owners purchase/ desire to purchase arms for self-defence and denying them the right to do that is nothing short of denying them the basic human right of one being able to protect oneself/ ones family/ property. The ruling elite would almost always want to deny this right to the masses as this makes them (the masses) even more dependant on them for even their basic security... enslavement is a strong word, but one I would not shy away from using here!

    Cosmoline, thank you for the appreciation - a member at IFG was recently offered close to US$ 20,000/- for his PPK/S (in .22 cal)!! :what: These crazy prices prevail here because the govt. has throttled domestic production (the only passable Indian made arms & ammo are a govt. monopoly) and banned all imports... an indirect way of ensuring that firearms are kept out of reach of the masses. In contrast a good imported pistol (in any calibre) ON THE BLACK MARKET would go for around US$ 1,000/-!! Makes you wonder who is being rewarded and who is being punished by these laws... :cuss:

    Ripcurlksm, Thanks for the welcome! :)

    Dorryn, LOL @ "Although ive seen a few irresponsible gun owners who I would have recommended it for" Guess we all have... :evil:

    iamkris, Thank you for the welcome and your very generous offer! :) I do have a few dear friends in the Chicago 'burbs and if I ever come down to visit them, I'll be sure to drop you a line.

    Gator & 007 - It's always a pleasure to connect with fellow enthusiasts and pro-gunners :)

    Cheers!
    Abhijeet
     
  20. Creeping Incrementalism

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    :what: Quick, we need a comedian to make a joke about this.
    DC actually has a total and complete ban on handgun transfer, while it appears to be at least possibly in India. But other than that I don't think anyone would doubt that India is far more restrictive than anywhere in the U.S.

    Also, by the standards of metropolitan California, I would also consider that definitely a positive article on civillian firearms ownership. I'm impressed that the reporter mentioned Ghandi was pro-RKBA.
     
  21. Werewolf

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    Great Post...

    And an interesting read. I wish those guys in IFG the best of luck in their pursuit of RKBA.

    This caught my attention:
    :)

    Seems women are the same the world over. :cool:
     
  22. coelacanth

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    excellent and timely post!

    Welcome to THR, abhijeet! We hope you continue to grace us with your presence and hope to see some members of the group in the article around here as well.
     
  23. White Horseradish

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    As it happens, we do see Indian guns here time to time. For instance, I have an Indian Hi-Power pistol. Unfortunately, as any government-made product, it leaves a lot to be desired in the fit and finish department. Shoots accurately, though.

    This is pretty fascinating. You really don't hear too much about Indian gun owners, and now we know why.
     
  24. Travis McGee

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    Not only was I knocked out by the clear content and pro-gun orientation of the essay, I was totally blown away by the writer's superb grasp of the English language. If he is any indication of India's educational system, they are going to be world-beaters.
     
  25. Travis McGee

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    Abhijeet,
    I wrote the above before realizing you were the self-same author and poster.

    Well done sir! And welcome to The High Road!
     
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