Armored truck guards
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Car Knocker
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If you do a serch here on "armored truck guard", you will find several threads of interest.
atlctyslkr
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This is probably the best one http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=190015
But check this one out http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195424
But check this one out http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195424
KMBRTAC45
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When I worked armoed car the only requirement was that it be from a well known and reputible manufacturer. Yes we carried our personally owned firearm. Although, I'm sure it depends on the armored car company.
Back in the dark ages, when I was going to school, I worked for a security guard company in the Chicago area.
I noticed that a fair number of armored car guards from one company did pickups in certain areas with a drawn gun.
I happened to run across a guy who worked for this company once and we started chatting. He told me the drawn gun was not even a real gun. They apparrently either had an option to carry a fake gun in hand, or a real one in holster, and a fair number of them chose fake gun in hand.
I noticed that a fair number of armored car guards from one company did pickups in certain areas with a drawn gun.
I happened to run across a guy who worked for this company once and we started chatting. He told me the drawn gun was not even a real gun. They apparrently either had an option to carry a fake gun in hand, or a real one in holster, and a fair number of them chose fake gun in hand.
Sunray
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"...depends on the armored car company..." And where you are. Up here, no personal firearms are allowed and truck guards get issued whatever they're company has. Usually a .38 Special revolver. There may be some silly law that says they can't use a semi too. Not that I'm sure.
TomFromTheShade
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I would have a three man team do armored pick ups. One guy drives full time. One guy goes into the bank/business wherever to pick up the money. One stands and keeps watch on the other two.
The driver would get an XD45 with two spare mags.
The picker upper would get an XD45 with two spare mags.
The guy watching the other two guys backs would have an AR carbine with AP rounds and an XD45.
The driver would get an XD45 with two spare mags.
The picker upper would get an XD45 with two spare mags.
The guy watching the other two guys backs would have an AR carbine with AP rounds and an XD45.
statelineblues
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I have been in the industry for 18 years, and have seen everything from guys carrying 5-shot S&W model 36's to (and I swear to God it's the truth!) a full auto, belt fed M-60 machine gun (it was the guard's own weapon) and he had 200 rounds of ammo.
Most carry their own personal weapon, and it depends on what that person feels comfortable with and what the company will allow. Of course, because armored guards are private citizens, they have to abide by the laws of the state(s) they work in (i.e., here in New Jersey we are not allowed to carry hollowpoint ammo, but public law enforcement is) as well.
Most carry their own personal weapon, and it depends on what that person feels comfortable with and what the company will allow. Of course, because armored guards are private citizens, they have to abide by the laws of the state(s) they work in (i.e., here in New Jersey we are not allowed to carry hollowpoint ammo, but public law enforcement is) as well.
armoredman
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Dear lord, where do these people come from? I worked in the industry for 8.5 years, (hence the screen name.), and NEVER have I heard any company ANYWHERE doing that. That is a great way to get not only an employee killed, but the company sued down to thier socks!
I have had people tell me as I was working, "I know that gun ain't real!", and "I know you guys' ain't allowed to carry loaded guns!", and more of the same stupidity. I assure you, that when I was working on a rig, I has a fully loade real sidearm, with a minimum of two reloads, and a BUG. I have never ever seen any truck crewman in either company I worked for, show up for work without a fully functional, loaded, firearm.
I had a guard(s)(unarmed) at work tell me that in IL they are only allowed to carry .38 revolvers. no semis. Another one told me that if she brought a gun for work use there is a federal law stating she can never sell it to another person.
Even if that was true, it doesn't mean that the guard didn't load his weapon when the BOSS isn't looking. Or that matter his boss may just look the other way.
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Outlaws
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Well maybe a state law, but not federal. If you buy a gun it isn't for a company. A company could purchase a firearm and then maybe there is a law they have to send it somewhere, but if a person buys it there is not.
Lone_Gunman
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Why can armored truck guards use deadly force to defend their property if I can't use deadly force to defend mine?
Outlaws
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I don't know that they can. If someone simply tried to grab the money bag I don't believe they are allowed to open fire. But if someone draws a firearm and comes at an Armored Truck Driver, if reasonable to assume they mean harm....just as if someone pulls a gun and says give me your wallet.
In Texas any commissioned security officer or armored car operator caught wearing a fake gun will get a citation.
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armoredman
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BS. No specific Federal law regarding Armored Guards firearms, other than thier allowed to carry across state lines while working on a truck, for short times. Not unless they passed some stealth law I don't now about, considering I have been out of the industry for 5 years.
If someone is so stupid as to NOT load thier weapon when working on a truck, then they deserve what they get. [forrest gump voice]"Stupid is, as stupid does.[/forrest gump voice].
As to the use of deadly force, in AZ, at least, armored trucking employees are allowed to use deadly force exactly as anyone else is under Title 13, no more, no less.
If someone is so stupid as to NOT load thier weapon when working on a truck, then they deserve what they get. [forrest gump voice]"Stupid is, as stupid does.[/forrest gump voice].
As to the use of deadly force, in AZ, at least, armored trucking employees are allowed to use deadly force exactly as anyone else is under Title 13, no more, no less.
I just ... wow. Words fail me.
My first thought was "what person would be stupid enough to do such a thing?" Then I thought it through a little further.
The first question should be, "what company is dumb enough to have that policy?" THEN you ask yourself, "who would be dumb enough to work for that company?" The answer is then readily apparent:
People who are stupid enough to jump out of a truck full of money with fake guns in their hands.
So, it's like a black hole of stupidity. The company is stupid, so it sucks in stupid people and places them on its payroll. This makes increases the ignorance density to the point that all intelligence collapses in upon itself and there is just a Gravitational Pit of Stupid. Employees either achieve escape velocity through their own intelligence (and either quit and work elsewhere, or at least carry a real gun), or they get pulled over the Idiocy Event Horizon, and are then spotted only on the job or at gunstore counters, discussing which Airsoft guns have the best intimidation value and which hard plates are best suited to withstanding multiple 7.62 NATO hits to the back.
Yeesh!
Mike
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If you are going to work armored........here is your shopping list.
1.) Buy a bullet "proof" vest. Level IIIA. Make sure it is fitted to you and brand new, you will be wearing this for long hours in hot and cold while moving around a lot and carrying heavy items. Expect to spend about $600.00
2.) Buy a good sam browne with matching holster, mag holder, key holder and possibly a radio holder. About $100-$150.
3.) Buy a set of radios (unless provided) for you and your driver. About $100.00-$300.00. I made do with $100.00 Cobras.
4.) Buy a good quality handgun. The most popular I saw in armored were the Ruger P89, P90 and other P series. The second most popular was Glock. Third was Smith & Wesson 3rd Gen. And I saw one Beretta, one CZ and one Sig. I recommend Glock, it's accurate, virtually maintenece free and nigh indestructable. $400-$600
5.) Get your uniform dry cleaned and pressed. $10.00\
6.) Buy a good pair of boots such as Bates Enforcer, etc. Make sure of proper fit and comfort. $60-$150 Polish them.
7.) Tough Sunglasses that will be dropped as you bend over to hand coin etc. $20.
8.) Gloves, such as baseball batters gloves. Helps in carrying really heavy loads or hauling multiple canvas sacks or boxes. $20.
9.) A multi tool to cut zip ties, etc. $60-90.
10.) A pocket knife can substitute for a multi-tool or visa-versa.........just get a good one. I used a S&W for a long time.
1.) Buy a bullet "proof" vest. Level IIIA. Make sure it is fitted to you and brand new, you will be wearing this for long hours in hot and cold while moving around a lot and carrying heavy items. Expect to spend about $600.00
2.) Buy a good sam browne with matching holster, mag holder, key holder and possibly a radio holder. About $100-$150.
3.) Buy a set of radios (unless provided) for you and your driver. About $100.00-$300.00. I made do with $100.00 Cobras.
4.) Buy a good quality handgun. The most popular I saw in armored were the Ruger P89, P90 and other P series. The second most popular was Glock. Third was Smith & Wesson 3rd Gen. And I saw one Beretta, one CZ and one Sig. I recommend Glock, it's accurate, virtually maintenece free and nigh indestructable. $400-$600
5.) Get your uniform dry cleaned and pressed. $10.00\
6.) Buy a good pair of boots such as Bates Enforcer, etc. Make sure of proper fit and comfort. $60-$150 Polish them.
7.) Tough Sunglasses that will be dropped as you bend over to hand coin etc. $20.
8.) Gloves, such as baseball batters gloves. Helps in carrying really heavy loads or hauling multiple canvas sacks or boxes. $20.
9.) A multi tool to cut zip ties, etc. $60-90.
10.) A pocket knife can substitute for a multi-tool or visa-versa.........just get a good one. I used a S&W for a long time.
"a full auto, belt fed M-60 machine gun"
That is great! How in the heck did he carry it or was it just for inside the truck?
When I worked for a indy armored car company they let us carry ANYTHING we wanted, no joke. Nobody ever carried a belt fed M-60 but I saw .25acp Lorcins used by the guys that serviced the ATMs. The two guys that ran the big truck with the most money went heavily armed. One of them had a full auto MAC-10 and a short barreled shotgun. He would carry one only not both at the same time. He also had a S&W 28 .357mag. Both were legal as he had the tax stamps. The short shotgun was a Mossberg 500 and it made a good truck gun. The other guy carried a semi auto M-11 in a shoulder sling as well as his SIG 220
I started out carrying a SIG 220 as well but I switched to a Beretta 92fs because I could control it better in rapid one hand fire and I like the fact that I had twice as much ammo before I had to reload. I would sometimes carry long guns in the truck but I would never take them out of the truck. I have carried AK-47s, AR-15s, Mini-14s and shotguns. You are much more likely to be robbed when you are out of the truck so they probably didn't help much but it was fun to be able to carry them.
I had a lot of fun at that job before the bean counters took over and ruined it. They fired all the good employees and replaced them with security gaurd idiots that made $7.00 pre hour. What a bunch of LOSERS! We had a good group of guys until then and we actually made some money and had benefits. I don't know what it is like now but I guess it is terrible place to work and I bet you can't carry an AR-15 if you wanted to. Who wants to work someplace where you can't even carry an AR-15?
That is great! How in the heck did he carry it or was it just for inside the truck?
When I worked for a indy armored car company they let us carry ANYTHING we wanted, no joke. Nobody ever carried a belt fed M-60 but I saw .25acp Lorcins used by the guys that serviced the ATMs. The two guys that ran the big truck with the most money went heavily armed. One of them had a full auto MAC-10 and a short barreled shotgun. He would carry one only not both at the same time. He also had a S&W 28 .357mag. Both were legal as he had the tax stamps. The short shotgun was a Mossberg 500 and it made a good truck gun. The other guy carried a semi auto M-11 in a shoulder sling as well as his SIG 220
I started out carrying a SIG 220 as well but I switched to a Beretta 92fs because I could control it better in rapid one hand fire and I like the fact that I had twice as much ammo before I had to reload. I would sometimes carry long guns in the truck but I would never take them out of the truck. I have carried AK-47s, AR-15s, Mini-14s and shotguns. You are much more likely to be robbed when you are out of the truck so they probably didn't help much but it was fun to be able to carry them.
I had a lot of fun at that job before the bean counters took over and ruined it. They fired all the good employees and replaced them with security gaurd idiots that made $7.00 pre hour. What a bunch of LOSERS! We had a good group of guys until then and we actually made some money and had benefits. I don't know what it is like now but I guess it is terrible place to work and I bet you can't carry an AR-15 if you wanted to. Who wants to work someplace where you can't even carry an AR-15?
10-Ring
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I have a buddy who's a armored car guard. When he started, he had to carry a 38 caliber wheelgun. Over the years, his equipment has changed. Today, he carries a Glock 22.
statelineblues
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The guy with the M-60 was the 3rd man in the back - he (apparently) carried it in his lap. I would hate to be inside that truck when he fired off a burst - the concussion alone would be painful, not to mention instant deafness...
PWRDbyTRD
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This is kinda amusing. Where is the popcorn smiley?
Outlaws
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Without having been in the military, I like to think I know a little about the weaponry, and from what I know, that gun is for supressive fire. Maybe I am wrong, but you don't/can't so much as aim it for precision as just to allow the other troops to manuver and fire. The point I am making is that in a parking lot of a bank or gas station, that might do more harm than good.
A full auto Thompson.....now that would be what I would want.
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