Asset or danger?

[critter]

I have seen a semiauto handgun (do not remember where or what caliber) that had a small notch cut into the barrel hood through to the chamber. It was only about 1/16" wide and just deep enough to see the RIM of the chambered round. I do not know if it as factory, a 'smith job or a 'bubba' job.

Do some guns come from the factory that way? Would that serve as a loaded chamber indicator and would it be safe to do or is it a big NO-NO?

 

[Red_SC]

Several handguns come with these 'viewports' now. Since it's only showing a little bit of the rim, it wouldn't hurt anything. But, I would't pay extra for it. If I had one, I'd probably press-check it anyway.

 

[Southern Raider]

Those cuts legally count towards the "loaded chamber indicator" requirement that some states have.

 

[Bill Z]

One of my friends, Dave Sample, has been doing these for over 20 years. We do them to all of the Patriot class pistols and have had no ill reviews at all. I've run a couple of thousand rounds, factory and reloads through a couple of mine with it and haven't had any troubles. It's standard now on Kimber's I believe and I'm sure you will begin to see thm on many other pistols as well.
It's more of a convienience thing for me. I feel the first shot is thrown away after a press check since the slide didn't slam home like it would during a regular cycle of the pistol.

 

[RogersPrecision]

Ain't 'critter' your handle, Bill Z?

 

[Bill Z]

Not here Chuck, someone got to it before me, that's not to say I never talk to myself, but I try to refrain from doing it in public.

 

[Jammer Six]

I feel the first shot is thrown away after a press check since the slide didn't slam home like it would during a regular cycle of the pistol.

Huh?

Why?

Does that mean that any round that isn't chambered with a shot is thrown away?

 

[RogersPrecision]

Ain't 'critter' your handle, Bill Z?

 

[Bill Z]

Did you miss my first reply Chuck, the one under your first request for that info?

Critter is my handle on GT, 1911 Forums and maybe a few others, but, once again, not here. Someone beat me to it here. They are about 23 years my senior and live in a different part of the country than I. Since all of the I.P.'s are logged, a moderator could verify that it's not the same person. I don't know how I can answer that any more fully or clearly.

 

[Bill Z]

Jammer, now, on to your question. For a pistol to be acuurate it has to be repetative. It has to do the same thing everytime, over and over again without fail. The barrel especially has to come to rest in the exact same position in the slide each and every time since the sights you are using are mounted on the slide. Now, if it is a frame mounted scope, then the sl;die also has to be in the exact same position on the slide, but let's keep it simple.
Now, when you press check, slide and barrel aren't brought home like they would be when you are chambering from slide lock or full retraction, or during normal cycling. Will this throw the round totally off target, probably not, but throwng a 10 into the 9 or 8 ring is a thrown away shot to me when it's not necessary. It's a matter of standards I guess, some people are just happy hitting the paper.

 

[RogersPrecision]

Bill,
I have no idea where that 2nd post came from!
It was an odd, delayed doubletap.

 

[1911Tuner]

Doubletap

Chuck said:


I have no idea where that 2nd post came from! It was an odd, delayed doubletap.

Nahhhh...It was a two-shot burst. Told ya'll them 2-pound
triggers was scary!
____________________

Jammer, Bill nailed your question square on the hittin' place.
Even if the first round is fed at full speed via a hard slingshot, the gun
still won't lock up the same way as it does during live fire. When testing
a pistol from the bags purely for intrinsic accuracy, I normally throw the
one up the tube away, and fire 5 rounds...reload with the last round
in the chamber and fire 5 more until I get three groups, and take an average.

For practical accuracy testing under realistic conditions, I count'em all.

Luck!

Tuner

 

[Jammer Six]

Interesting.

Is there any way to predict what effect a press check or chambering from slide lock will have?

Seems that you would want to chamber everything the same way, then, to get at least a minimum of consistency.

Say, drop from slide lock every time, or slingshot everything that isn't fired.

Thanks, guys.

 

[Wichaka]

Some Springfield Armory guns come that way. My Loaded & Mil-Spec both have them. Its so you can see the rim if there's one in the chamber, rather than having to press check.

I guess, they're trying to impress the gun grabber group again. Like they were trying to do with the ILS system in the MSH.

What's next?

 

[Dave Sample]

A Bubba Thing.......................................................

 

[Dave Sample]

Here's what's next. My checkered slide stop that I have been doing for 20 years.

 

[Dean Taylor]

I have been to Dave's shop and he does his remarkable checkering by hand checkering with simple hand files. No machines. He even can do it around the curves of the trigger guard with his "old fashioned" "low tech" technique.

Dean
[email protected]

 

[JeffC]

LOL....Chuck's keyboard had an accidental discharge .

Wasn't a Dell was it?