ATF at it again...

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There are some circumstances in which a firearm would not be regulated by ATF and not subject to a (compliance) inspection. Such as an: unserviceable firearm. An unserviceable firearm is defined as one which is incapable of discharging a shot by means of an explosion and which is incapable of being readily restored to a firing a condition. An acceptable method of rendering most firearms unserviceable is to fusion weld the chamber closed and fusion weld the barrel solidly to the frame. Certain unusual firearms require other methods to render the firearm unserviceable. An unserviceable NFA firearm is still subject to the controls of the NFA, but may be transferred tax free as curio or ornament. Permanently inoperable firearm- A firearm which is incapable of discharging a shot by means of an explosion and which is incapable of being readily restored to a firing a condition. An acceptable method of rendering most firearms unserviceable is to fusion weld the chamber closed and fusion weld the barrel solidly to the frame. Certain unusual firearms require other methods to render the firearm permanently inoperable. Antique firearm- Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufacturing in or before 1898; and any replica of any firearm described above of this definition if such replica is not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. If the firearm in question falls into one of the above categories, you failed to bring that to my attention at the time of the inspection. (If my memory serves me correctly it doesn’t). Feel free to contact the Firearms Technology Branch (304) 260-1700 for further guidance and clarification. And I in turn will do the same. We at the (Bureau ATF) will work diligently to provide you with most update, correct, and accurate information. To my knowledge all other firearms with rare exception are subject to inspection and thus regulated by ATF. I will be in touch!

Thanks in Advance for your patience,

Teren L. Jones
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Columbus SO/Cincinnati IO
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I guess the concern is that it appears the the F-troop agent is defining 'de-milled/de-activated' to mean that the barrel must be permanently welded shut, and implying that cutting the receiver is insufficient. That would really suck.

I know next to nothing of the overarching legalities involved. What sort of codified de-milling rules exist within the F-Troop domain that would come in to play here?
 
Whole thing looked more like a fishing expedition to me.

They went back with a copy machine and spent 4 hours copying every 4473 and related documents. Thats a database of all purchasers from this FFL going back to the BATF&E for discovery.

Agents sent the FFL on errands so they were alone in the vault.

Agents took every serial number off his personal weapons.

Agents went into his home.

More to this than a compliance inspection.

3 visits? They want him gone and they are going to run him into bankruptcy and close him down. He needs a lawyer. A mean nasty government hating lawyer.
Are their any?

Vick
 
As jaw-dropping and infuriating as this is :fire: , I'm pretty sure that this agent will be set straight before long. The last thing the BATFE wants right now is another Congressional s***storm.

But just in case, I think I'll head over to J&G Sales on my lunch break and pick up a Yugo AK underfolder kit while I know I can.
 
Sounds to me like the agent is not understanding what a kit is and talking about regulations that don't apply. It is not a deactivated rifle, it is a box of parts that together do not make a complete and functional rifle. Rifle parts do not have to be welded or deactivated. Correct?
 
After re-reading the thread again I would have to ask, who is this dinkydow guy? What is his company? This
might explain a lot. Seems ATF has a real problem with this individual for
reasons unknown to me. Of course, their tactics are pure bull**** and
illegal. My guess is that this individual has done something wrong, or at
least stupid things that got the attention of ATF and raised suspicion.
 
It does sound like an agent specific case, or they got a beef with dinkydow's company and they're just putting on a little squeeze.

There's got to be a quarter million kits (or better) out there and this is the first I've heard of such.
 
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