ATF busts guy in Oregon

[El Rojo]

I first found out about this story on a AP video and knew it had to be here. On the video I watched I saw a AK-47, an uzi, the MG-42, what looked like a M2HB, lots of linked black tipped .50 BMG, and a pistol gripped semi-auto shotgun. They also kept showing footage of the MG-42 and whenever they said .50 caliber rifle.

My favorite part of the video was the neighborhood guy saying, "Well put yourself in out shoes, would you want that kind of ammunition and weaponry in your house next door? You know, you tell me. How'd you feel?" YES and GREAT! Lets go shooting neighbor and then toke one up! Well lets go shooting anyway.

 

[JohnBT]

"I guess if it had been standing up in the corner, it would have been "facing skyward toward civilian airliners passing overhead.""

Bwaahahahahaha...good one. Can I have some of what you're smoking?

John

 

[Spot77]

Read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic".


It'll sound remarkably similar to this.



I suppose I could be next since a middle school has been opened directly in front of my house, and I'm a Republican gun owner surrounded by houses on the other three sides.


Sorry, no illegal drugs of ANY kind on the property, but the story could easily read, "Although no illegal drugs were found during the raid, an anonymous police source told Upyourbutt News that they suspect Mr. Spot77 is a major player in the Baltimore crack cocaine network"

 

[Mulliga]

I dunno.

On the one hand, it certainly raises an eyebrow that the guy has a CCW and legally registered MGs. I thought the background check after the Form 4 was pretty darn extensive. If that's the case, the only real crime the guy committed was shipping pot out of state.

On the other, the ATF, despite some of the bad apples, is mostly filled with good people trying to enforce the law (same as other LEO agencies). I find it hard to believe somebody would lie to arrest somebody when it's so much easier just to let the small things go and collect your paycheck with no hassle. If the guy was shipping pot out to some college kids, and happened to also be a gun/militaria collector, does he really deserve to go to federal prison?

Like many THR members, I have many "loaded" guns (condition 3). They are not "in safes" or "locked-up", they are where I can use them if I need them.

 

[tyme]

ItGoesBoom, what LOOKS bad is the BATFE and assorted other agencies skewering this person over paperwork vioations.

So what if he was ready for a siege? It sounds like his preparation was justified, given the interest the BATFE and DEA have in him now. If only one thing can be said about him, he wasn't paranoid.

 

[standingbear]

if I knew a neighbor had this sorta stuff..he better darn sure remember to invite me to shoot them too!Its unpolite to not share ones "toys".

I think the main issue was partially on his signage in the yard,the evil and scary "planet" destroyers he had and the dope...great stigma to get support for yet another AW ban rolling wouldnt you say?

kinda gets me thinking..why would the seized items be put out on display in the yard unless it was meant to scare the sheeple and get folks talking.ya'll know how things can be twisted around from one person to another.

on a lighter note,I have my house gun pointed at the sky too so it must be a satalite destroyer...why I bet it could even knock out the sun...if an 8mm german MG42 can destroy an entire neighborhood then surly a scattergun could wipe out an entire planet.

yep..the alphabet boys are having a field day. teddy,chuckie and diana are having a giggle fest.

 

[patentmike]

Come to think of it, if you drive down the street with your carry gun, it's "pointing at the whole neighborhood". Scary stuff. Could be a campaign for prosecutor helped along by a friendly reporter.

 

[Linux&Gun Guy]

It does depend on the state of the plants. What if 50 or so were new clones or mothers(seed bitches)? Some people smoke ALOT and need lots and lots of plants. I wonder what strains he grew; hopefully some nice Haze and Northern Lights.

Sounds like a guy that had a bit to many plants and liked gun collecting. Just like us exept sans cannabis(mostly).

 

[DMF]

I thought the background check after the Form 4 was pretty darn extensive.

The background checks are not extensive at all. People need to quit acting like a person who has a few cursory checks done for a CCW or Class III weapons is getting TS clearance from the government. All they are really doing is a few quick database checks to ensure you aren't a criminal.

Now let's be clear on this issue of him having the guns legally. He was in violation of a few sections of Title 21 of the US Code by using, growing, and/or selling weed. Because of this drug activity he was a "prohibited person" under 18USC922, which prohibits anyone who is an "unlawful user or addict of a controlled substance" from possessing either firearms or ammunition.

You can debate your opinion of those federal statutes all you want, but don't pretend that there isn't probable cause to believe that he was illegally in possession of those firearms.

 

[Derby FALs]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
GUN GRABBER

 

[DRZinn]

On the radio this morning (CBS affiliate, FWIW) it was a "fifty caliber semi-automatic anti-aircraft gun" and "capable of shooting 500 rounds per minute." Same gun.

Semi-auto anti-aircraft?

Semi-auto shoots 500/min?

Right.

 

[hammer4nc]

...not to be outdone in the quest for journalistic accuracy, the UPI reported:

Beaverton, OR, Oct. 29 (UPI) -- An Oregon man was in jail Friday after federal agents allegedly found an arsenal of automatic weapons his home, including two heavy machine-gun nests.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041029-124433-8419r.htm

Nests? Nests! Saving private Ryan!

 

[tyme]

More links:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=72202
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/109913756549470.xml

Downloadable copies of both videos from the KATU story:
http://www.thefiringline.com/video/20041030_OR/

 

[Don Gwinn]

I have a loaded SIG P220 pointed at my neighbor's house right now. I also have a great deal of literature that these dinks wouldn't likely approve.

And perhaps most alarming, behind my house is a Methodist church!


I also have a large number of pointy sticks in the garage.

 

[WilderBill]

It sounds like he wasn't hurting anyone and would have been OK if he hadn't attracted attention with the yard sign and apparently selling to an undercover agent in Fla.

What disturbs me more than the feds deciding to bust him is the media coverage of this whole circus.
They seem intent on sensationallizing a fairly dull story and they aren't about to let the facts get in their way!

 

[standingbear]

wow..I want a machinegun nest,do they sell these at the farmers market?






good thing I still dont have my ak t-shirt cause the soccer moms might decide to report me to the authorities for being a gun nut if I wore it in public