ATL:"Calls for armed citizenry rely on belief in superhero fantasies"

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I like the Jack Bauer reference. I love liberals and how they reference TV and movies as reality. "Wild West! Deadwood! 24! Superman!". If there's anyone who is flying high in the clouds, it's people like this writer, not we gun owners.
 
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

We've been watching this for several years now. The 'ridicule' is still being seen but it seems to be mixed with 'violent opposition' too.
We're making headway folks. :D
 
But it's more than a little disconcerting to hear that so many adults also believe in superheroes. They must. Why else would they insist that the best way to prevent carnage of the sort that occurred last week at Virginia Tech is to put guns into every available hand? They're indulging their childhood fantasies, remembering the movies in which the Caped Crusader or John Wayne instantly dispatched the bad guy.

In real life, police officers - trained to fire in the heat of battle - hit their intended targets only about 40 percent of the time, according to University of South Carolina criminologist Geoffrey Alpert, an expert in police shootings. And we all know about wartime "friendly fire" tragedies, when well-trained soldiers accidentally kill their own.

Being involved in a shooting, I can tell you first hand that it is a nerve racking, difficult experience, even for the most experienced, trained shooters.I would be the first person to tell off a Mall Ninja with a superhero complex who feels that he can take on multiple armed badguys and come out unscathed.

However what other option is there. The reason why Cho was able to kill so many people at VT was that NO ONE was armed and able to defend themselves. If just one person was armed, and was able to put up some sort of resistance, even if that armed person was unable to stop Cho, that person's action regardless of the outcome probably would have saved lives. The author feels we should not have a Superhero complex. Is it better then everyone having a victim, or innocent bystander complex.
 
IF those of us with carry licenses really had superhero fantasies, then we wouldn't have carry licenses because we wouldn't NEED them. We'd just hit the goblins with a bolt of our laser vision, or stretch our arms 50 yards and grab the gun, or fly in front of a victim and take the entire magazine or revolver load in our chest and then subdue the BG, or we'd flame the bastich to death, or cause a brick to fly off a roof to hit him, or ensnare the gun and criminal in a web from 2 city blocks away, etc., etc.

It is PRECISELY because we do NOT have such fantasies that we carry, and that we wish at least one person on the VT campus had a gun to shoot Cho before he got to 32 dead victims. We live in the real world, where goblins and crazies have weapons and little or no compunction about using them on innocents, and where police officers end up being well-educated and well-armed documenters of crimes 99% of the time. We live in the real world where armed civilians use firearms at least 500,000 times per year to stop crimes (and maybe as many as 2 million times). We like those odds a whole lot better than the fantasy-world of the blissninnies where cops show up in the nick of time to save the beautiful damsel in distress (which may occur a few hundred times a year at most).

In contrast to us gun owners and our realistic (if hard-headed) view of reality, here's what you've got to believe if you want gun control:

1: The more helpless you are, the safer you are from criminals.

2: An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 magnum will become enraged and kill you.

3: A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

4: The Second Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which did not exist until 130 years later, having been formed in 1917.

5: The phrases “right of the people to peaceably assemble,” “right of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,” and “the powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals. However, the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to a right held by the state (and states don’t have rights, they have powers).

6: Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary for national defense. This explains why the U.S. armed forces have tens of millions of them.

7: Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns because they are not military weapons. Also, private citizens shouldn’t have assault rifles because they are military weapons.

8: A handgun, with up to four controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to use, as compared to an automobile that has up to 20 controls.

9: Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

10: A majority of the population supports gun control, just as a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

11: Most people can’t be trusted so we should have laws against guns, which all criminals will obey because they can be trusted.

12: The right of Internet pornographers to operate cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights (even though it appears nowhere in the document), but the use of handguns for self-defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights (even though it is specifically mentioned in the document).

13: Police officers operate with backup in large groups, which is why they need large capacity pistol magazines, as opposed to civilians who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

14: We should ban Saturday Night Specials and all other inexpensive handguns because it isn’t fair that poor people have access to self-defense guns too.

15: Private citizens do not need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them, even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

16: Citizens do not need to carry guns for personal protection, but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with armed police, do need to carry a gun.

17: Assault weapons have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people quickly. The police need assault weapons; you do not.

18: Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes. This is why you never see police officers with them on their duty weapons.

19: Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) thinks that a concealed carry permit will not help prevent personal crime. That’s why she has one.

Of course, if that's all too much to memorize, here's the "logic" of the gun control crowd, summed up quite nicely in one paragraph:

You have a 30 MPH speed limit in your town. Every weekend, you have fools racing through town at 80 MPH. Your response is to lower the speed limit to 20 MPH.
 
The idea of equating superheroes with firearms users is ill-conceived. Think about the following for a minute. When did superheroes such as Superman, Batman and the Flash need a .45 to deal with villains? The author of this article is entitled to her opinion about firearms, but I am sure that many anti-gun advocates could have used a much better comparison than she did for this editorial piece. When reading articles such as this, I truly begin to question the reasoning skills of some in the mass media.

Timthinker
 
These people are idiots...they act all serious when someone is murdered or a mass shooting is going on...

then you talk about CCW/CHL or having semi auto rifles during hurricane andrew, katrina, rita, LA riots, all of a sudden the coin is flipped and good guys stepping in is a movie or john wayne fantasy...gimme a break...

Like the late Col. Cooper said, "An unarmed person can only run from evil, and evil is never destroyed by running from it."

DB
 
If they had had a Jack Bauer, maybe so. But the world isn't composed of Jack Bauers," he noted.
So let me get this straight. We're the ones who have superhero fantasies, but this anti gun clown is making references to Jack Bauer as a basis for his argument? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
The logic that a rampaging murderer can somehow place shots to kill people as they run in panic, but anyone shooting back at the (likely stationary) killer is destined to miss absolutely escapes me.

"But the defender would miss due to stress of being under fire."

And yet, apparently the defensive return fire wouldn't affect the killer's concentration enough to interrupt his casually picking off innocent folks in this scenario whatsoever?
 
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I like the Jack Bauer reference. I love liberals and how they reference TV and movies as reality. "Wild West! Deadwood! 24! Superman!". If there's anyone who is flying high in the clouds, it's people like this writer, not we gun owners.
One nitwit in usenet once cited a Batman comicbook as "proof" regarding gun control. Needless to say, his feeling were severely hurt...
 
The logic that a rampaging murderer can somehow place shots to kill people as they run in panic, but anyone shooting back at the (likely stationary) killer is destined to miss absolutely escapes me.
But is that any MORE stupid and dishonest than the idiotic, "Your gun will just be snatched away"?

What I've found is that anti-gunners view common street criminals as some sort of combination of Delta Force operator and Terminator, while anyone else is the Three Stooges. There's a certain amount of not so secret envy of people like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez. No doubt some of them feel the same way about Cho.
 
Superfreakin'heroes? What's the psych term for applying your own fantasies as if they were the fantasies of those you oppose? Transferance or some such?

Anyway, that's what this gal has. She needs to go see her shrink.

Van
 
hahahaha. First, those poor kids didn't need a superhero, just an average armed citizen. Hell, even if he/she did miss once or twice in the middle of the shootout and struck an innocent, the outcome would still have been better than 32 dead.

But we all know that the guy who wrote this article s an idiot. His own father figured it out years ago, when he told his son not to buy a handgun... it's because he knew his own son was such a dee dee-dee that he couldn't be trusted with a firearm.
 
Superfreakin'heroes? What's the psych term for applying your own fantasies as if they were the fantasies of those you oppose? Transferance or some such?

Projection. I actually wrote her the following email:

I read your editorial about the follies of armed students, and I
wanted to applaud you on your choice to follow your father's advice
and not carry a firearm. Since he was a veteran, hunter and gun owner,
I can only believe that he had the experience in gun handling to know
what he was talking about. I can't imagine anybody in a better
position to make the determination that you're not competent enough to
handle firearms without injuring yourself or somebody else.

It's actually hard not to agree with him. Anybody who associates
carrying a firearm for self-protection with some kind of "superhero
fantasty complex" clearly shouldn't be carrying a gun. So, thank you
for making the world a safer place by not owning a firearm. If only
people like Cho Seung-Hui were so considerate.

It is sad, however, that you feel the need to project your undesirable
delusions onto law abiding gun owners. Maybe someday, though, you'll
be able to accept your own short comings and find a way to live with
your own less than desirable traits. Maybe, with time, you'll even be
able to correct them. I want you to know that I wish you the very best
of luck in those regards.

Her reply was:

I'd love to publish your letter.
To do so, we'd need the city you live in
 
I don't wear my underwear on the outside of my pants (not even on a bad day) and I don't think I am bulletproof.
I don't think I am Bill Hickock but I don't think I am Dick Cheney either.:D
 
Guns aren't a big deal.. its just another tool that can be misused. Nobody ever blames a car when some drunk driver kills and runs.
 
These weapons are not getting more lethal but less - because an increasing proportion are handguns, which are typically not as powerful as rifles and shotguns. In this case, the shooter used one of the least deadly firearms in existence, a .22-caliber pistol. Cho Seung-Hui's other pistol was a Glock 9 mm, an established weapon that is far from being the most powerful handgun around. "Increasingly lethal firearms" had nothing to do with this crime

I was under the impression that the 9mm was the weapon used in the killings and the 22 wasn't fired. It sounds like this guy's complaining about Cho not using enough gun. Would it have been all that different if he had used a Remington 870 with 4-buck or HP sabot slugs? Perhaps a bit more time consuming, but the numbers would still be there, baring interfence. Oh, and last I checked, a 22 could be just as lethal as a 9mm with proper shot placement.

These people make me sick. They clearly know nothing of the practice habits of the average gun owner, the practice habits of the average cop, or the fact that any weapon can be lethal if used in proper fashion, thus why we call them weapons, instead of fluffys. I agree with the earlier post that we are making headway in the cause. Common sense can break out at any moment. Just don't hold your breath.
 
I read your commentary on CCW, and I must say that I cannot agree. You are the one who must rely on superheroes to substantiate your claim. Who else can save you when you are attacked? Policemen cannot be there to save every person at all times, if you do not believe in CCW who else will save you other than a superhero (I suggest Ace and Gary)

I would like point out a few facts....

CCW holders are far less likely to be arrested than a not permit holder or DC/NYC police officer
There is not a single innocent of a CCW holder killing an innocent bystander.
Police are not necessarily highly trained in shooting, having worked at a range I have seen sworn offices of the law shoot out lights in a well lit range.
There are 2.5 millionish defense firearms uses a year, most a shot is never fired. quoting 143 homicides is journalistically irresponsible.
A pair of CCW holders stopped the Applacian Law School shooting (without firing a shot)

I feel it is my duty to send a note to each reporter, in a nice tone maybe a little snotty. I hope to educate them a bit. If that is not a possibility I hope they get tons of e-mail and think twice about writing crap in the future.
 
I wonder if...

Ms. Tucker would care to tell the woman from Texas that her desire for the firearm she had left in her vehicle the day of the Luby's shooting was simply a "superhero fantasy" and she should get over it. To her face.

I wonder if Ms. Tucker would care to tell Gracie Watson that ordinary armed citizens are simply useless and floating around in a "superhero fantasy" world. Gracie Watson was attacked by her husband, stabbed approximately 10 times, and doused with gasoline. The only thing that stopped her husband from lighting the gasoline was an ordinary citizen, caught up in a superhero fantasy, who informed Mr. Watson that he would shoot him if he continued and "kill him dead" if he tried to run.

I wonder if Ms. Tucker would care to confront the family members of any of the VT victims and admonish to get over the death of their loved ones because they should have stayed out of dangerous places.

If I were a betting man I'd wager Ms. Tucker would not care to express her beliefs to those particular audiences in face to face conversations. On the other had I would be more than willing to express my beliefs about the value of ordinary citizens being armed to any of the mentioned folks.

sheesh...

migoi
 
I sent the following:

The real superheros of current fantasy are the police--that they'll be there to protect you. This really is a fantasy as police protect Society, not individuals, and that only after a sufficient number of individuals have been sacrificed. Police are the clean up crew for individuals, not protectors.

Civilians may or may not be able to shoot better than police, but criminals don't like the odds. Why so much worry about imagined safety issues when the victims are being killed? Better they are killed than subject to imaginary safety issues?

I'm sad to hear your father had little trust in you. The advice to stay to safe areas--live Virginia Tech and other gun free zones--is probably sage advice, but limits your life choices.

By the way, when you quote numbers about people being harmed with firearms you need to keep in mind the millions of firearms and millions of responsible owners who are not involved in harmful, criminal or irresponsible activity.

Guy B. Meredith
 
they seem to want it both ways

'even if there was concealed carry allowed, how many people in North Hall would have packed a gun? Probably nobody!'

if not that then

'if there were dozens of students with guns, they would have all shot eachother!'
 
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