Attempted Kel-Tec Purchase in California

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Used to be you couldn’t get one in California. At all. Saw one on the shelf at SoCal Guns and asked to see it. Clerk asked if I was law enforcement. After I told him no, he informed me that, in California, non-LEO Californians can only purchase used Kel-Tec pistols, and since the sidearm in question was a new P-3AT, although I could handle it, I couldn’t purchase. Such is life in Kali…

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Move to a gun friendly state! Indiana's great, you
can buy all the Kel Tec's you want!
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SHHHH! Do you really want the californians seeing that and moving there? Look what they did to Denver! Us texans are keepin' quiet down here and hoping they'll overlook us. :D
 
Apparently you are not as qualified as Law Enforcement,
after all they DO have an 8% hit rate with shots fired.

Stupid civilian.
 
Kel-Tec

Me again. Actually, I am moving outta here. Goin' to somewhere in the Rocky Mountain states next spring. Gonna buy a coupla more guns, after I get there (P-3AT, Puma M92 levergun in .454, etc.).
 
Somebody please explain to this po' ol redneck how a used Kel-tec is less dangerous than a new one! I suppose the po-leece are the only ones bright enough to break 'em in. Sho wish somebodys would look after us like that!:neener:
 
Somebody please explain to this po' ol redneck how a used Kel-tec is less dangerous than a new one!
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I was a thinking the same thing. What refugee from Darwins waiting room decided that it was necessary to ban the sale of this gun new but it was perfectly OK to sell it as used?

It's easy to tell a politician, they are the ones without any grasp of reality.
 
I'll bet they can't bring new ones into the state for the peons, because they aren't equipped with a manual safety. But if one is brought into the state as the property of a new resident, they can't do anything about it, so it can be sold as a used gun...
 
Somebody please explain to this po' ol redneck how a used Kel-tec is less dangerous than a new one!
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Well, obviously the liberals are superstitious enough to believe guns have consciousness and volition to act on their own. Therefore being owned by a LEO first would train the pistol in virtue and good so it will never ever misbehave. :rolleyes:
 
KelTec made a business decision not to supply test guns or pay for California certification of their handguns, because of this, their handguns are no longer legal for civilian sales in CA.

Simple as that.
 
Kel-Tec handguns are still available to civilians via PPT (Private Party Transfer).

That's why the gun store clerk said you can buy a "used" one. Since, most Kel-Tec handguns available via PPT are used.

All the approved list did was create an inflated market for handguns that are legal for sale in CA, via PPT, but not on the list.
For example... last time I saw (3-4 months ago) a NIB (1st gen) Kel-Tec P-32 for sale, it sold for $700 + transfer fee and, just recently, a Glock Model 21SF sold for $600 + transfer fee.

Ways you can legally get a non-listed handgun in CA.
- Find someone who already owns one in CA and buy it from them.
- A person moving to CA can legally bring with them non-listed handguns and then sell them once that person relocates to CA. That person also has to register any handgun they bring with them with CA DOJ within 60 days of moveing to CA.
- A LEO can buy a non-listed handgun and then sell them to a civilian.
 
As a colorado resident i have to advise anyone thinking of moveing from CA that i hear the weather is wonderfull in NM LOL .
 
We've had some retired folks from Ca. buy houses around here lately and the first thing they did was have some of the beautiful old trees on their property bull dozed.

By the way, Missouri is full now. You might as well stay where you are. Sorry.
 
Its due to the extortion scheme the state runs under the guise of a gun "safety test". To be legal for sale, a manufacturer has to provide several (3?) examples of their guns to the state for testing and pay an annual fee. Almost any variant of the same basic gun is considered a different gun, reguiring a seperate test and fee. Its a scam to reduce the number of handguns available in the state.
 
My granddaddy told me, that during the war, that would be WWII, new gun sales were rationed. He wanted a new gun, but didn't have the ration stamps for said purchase. However, used guns didn't have such restrictions. The dealer, actually the local storekeeper, took the new gun and a few shells (shotgun) walked out back, fired off three rounds, and came back with a "used" gun.

Of course things were different back then. It was probably against the law, (Blackmarket law, not gun law) but I suspect the statue of limitations has run out. And both parties involved are dead. Probably wouldn't work in California these days.
 
Explain why a gunstore owner would have even bought a gun he could not sell, unless of course he charged for illegal gun fondling. Stupid me!
 
Lash he can sell it ... To a Police officer , who may well trade it back in on something else then he can sell it to anyone since it is both " used " and " leagaly in state " . And since you cant as a normal person buy one the price of them even used is inflated . Walther thp .22 used to be the same way , importable only for le , but an individual officer could buy one and resell it if he decided he did not like it . Heck back in the day i tried 3 thp's and didnt like any of them , but strangly enough 3 of my friends did .
 
I'll bet they can't bring new ones into the state for the peons, because they aren't equipped with a manual safety. But if one is brought into the state as the property of a new resident, they can't do anything about it, so it can be sold as a used gun...
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So how does Glock get away with it?
 
You folks...

are attempting to discourage the wrong folks from moving to your states. The problem isn't with the people that would be moving due to the restrictiveness of of the gun laws...it's all them other folks.

I'm thinking someone that posts here with a complaint that he, as an ordinary, non-uber citizen, can't buy the gun he wants won't be a problem...most likely he would be a good person to have as a neighbor.

migoi
 
You guys need to have more compassion for us Californian folks. It'd be really hard for me to leave because of family and the great job that I have here. Besides, I'm having fun with my Glock and getting trained in self-defense. So you can't get a Kel-Tec, boo-hoo.

Despite our stupid gun laws, CA keeps me on my toes to fight for my right as an American.

So if you want to leave CA, good riddance it just shows you've already given up...and surrendered to the antis and uninformed/misinformed liberals.

I choose to fight. And for those that haven't even stepped onto CA soil, don't knock it before you try it. Too many of us are being judged.
 
wolfman01 said:
"I'll bet they can't bring new ones into the state for the peons, because they aren't equipped with a manual safety. But if one is brought into the state as the property of a new resident, they can't do anything about it, so it can be sold as a used gun... "

So how does Glock get away with it?
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There is no manual safety requirement.

CA law requires all new handguns submitted for testing after 01-01-2007 to have a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect.

Handguns that are currently on the list are exempt from this provision.

Currently, only three Glock models are not on the approved list. Glock Model 17L, Model 24 and Model 21SF. In order to get them on the approved list, Glock would have to create a version of them which has a magazine disconnect.

Currently, there are some Glock Model 21SF in civilian hands. But, they got that way via LEO resales and from some FFLs accidently processing them as regular Model 21.
 
Hey guys, how about a little support for those of us who live here and fight the absurd gun laws that the legislature has passed or is trying to pass. Sadly, we haven't won all of the legislative battles but we have won some of them.

One out of eight people in this country live in Calif and that's a big enough market to cause the gun manufacturers to accommodate the gun laws here with new features like the loaded chamber indicator. So, what happens in California affects people in other states; whether you like it or not.

If I and my family were to "flee" the state, there would be four fewer pro-gunners here to defend our rights as gun owners.

Of course, it would be a lot easier to give up the fight and flee to a pro-gun state where I could be content "bulldozing old trees" or behaving in some other stereotypical fashion.

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Is the state going to pay all the expenses for the dead guy when the loaded chamber indicator malfunctions, you know support his family, send his kids to college and stuff like that! Magazine safeties are cool too, in the heat of battle my Firestar M45 dropped the mag on the ground, luckily I carry a backup that didn't have that feature.
 
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