Attended a talk on saddle making (and gun holster evolution for the cowboy era)

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Got an invitation to attend a talk on the history of saddles and along a tangential subject, holster making. Speaker was Fred Dixon who worked as a cowboy and holster maker as well as gunsmith (more on that later).

First known use of horse was by the Scythians around 4,000 BC. Horse blankets came around circa 500 BC. Simple seat type much later and the stirrup followed (forgot the date). Anyway, the stirrup was not adopted by the Romans who were aware of them because of the Scythians. The latter were excellent horse archers and the stirrup help to stabilize them on their mounts. This made them and the later Parthians and other people of the Steppes fierce horse archers.

Saddle came to Spain from the Moors. The Spainards adopted it and brought it to the world. The Southern Europeans refined the saddle better than the northerners because the Southerners used horses for herding livestock. The northerners used dogs and fell behind saddle development. The Northerners who didn't fall behind were the mounted men (knights) who appreciated better saddles (help stabilize them for lance charges).

Saddle makers didn't always make saddles. In their spare time if there were no demand (contract), they also made holsters. Early holsters were also money pouches and it featured a large piece of leather folded in half. An open end allowed coins to be slipped in and made for a secure wallet. When cartridge guns were adopted, the folded over feature offered protection for the stiching as it was not abraded against the body and worn out. Slim jim holsters came first and later the loop holster.

Besides two saddles that he made and brought as display examples for his talk, Fred had a display of the types of belts and holsters. The guns were interesting too. He had an 1858 Remington that he converted from cap 'n ball to center fire. This was in the '70s before kits were available. He told me he did it on a drill press (used somehat as a milling machine) and then file work. Center part of the cylinder was left intact and he made his own gate, ejector rod, ejector rod shroud which he attached to the barrel. Very impressive work by Fred. He told me there were no books when he began researching holster or saddle making and learned by examining all the holsters/saddles he could find.

Fred also told me that he made one of the three saddles ridden by Kurt Russell in Tombstone. Additionally, he made the holster worn by Val Killmer and the bad guys (cowboys). He had a falling out with the movie's acquisition man and the guy omitted any reference to Fred in his book, Tombstone. I'll post some pictures later.
 
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When I lived in the Texas Panhandle in the 1980's the preacher at my church made boots and saddles during the week so I was able to observe many of the methods required to turn raw leather into a work of art using methods taught him nearly 50 years before then. Totally amazing stuff.
 
I was born and raised in Pueblo, Colorado, where R. T. Frazier made leather goods. My grandpa gave me a kid-sized pair of Frazier wrist cuffs for playing cowboy when I was 5 years old. No telling where they may be now. I have a Frazier holster of grandpa’s though, a treasured memento.

Did your lecturer talk about Frazier and the Pueblo saddle?
 
Sounds like a great time! I wouldn't miss it if it was in my area. I'll tell ya.....it's easy to have a falling out with the prop guy. All they want is free stuff, or to "borrow"...which basically means "stolen". When I work with those guys...it's cash up front, no questions and no breaks on the price. I hope they go elsewhere. I still manage to get some work from them....being in Tombstone, it's pretty common.
 
Hickcock holsters
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Remington 1858 converted by Fred to centerfire. This was done in the '70s before conversion kits became available:
1858 Remington converted to center fire. This was done before conversion kits were available. remington_conversion.png

Saddle used by Kurt Russell in last third of the flick.
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1851 converted to centerfire:
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Double holster rig made for his wife:
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Various holsters. You can seen the basic slim jim, and then loops as holsters evolved.
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Fred Dixon may be reached at: [email protected]
 
I've been an amateur leather worker since junior high in the early 60's,,,
I started doing it on a semi-professional basis on the early 90's.

Back in 1997 I attended and graduated from the Shoe, Boot, and Saddle program,,,
This was at Oklahoma State University- Okmulgee, OK.

One field trip we took was to what was called the National Cowboy Hall of Fame in Oklahoma City,,,
The class spent the entire day in the lower levels looking (and handling in some cases),,,
Saddles, holsters, and leather accessories from as early as the late 1,700's.

Most of the items we viewed were pretty primitive in their construction,,,
Plain utilitarian seemed to be the fashion of that time.

We didn't see much fancy stuff until the items that were made in the late-ish 1,800's.

If you are a holster maker looking for authentic items to design patterns around,,,
You need to purchase a copy of the book "Packing Iron".

The book was written by Richard Rattenbury,,,
Who at the time (maybe still is) was a Curator at the Cowboy Hall of Fame.

Lots of good clear images of authentic gun leather and accoutrements,,,
Very helpful if you want to create authentic period gun leather.

I actually got to handle a couple of the holsters pictured in this book,,,
I wish I would have gotten to meet Mr. Rattenbury in person,,,
I would have loved to pick his brain for stories.

Here are a few I created from images in that book.

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And one that I made for a female police officer,,,
Commissioned by her fellow officers when she passed the probation period.

She was drop-dead gorgeous and only 1/2" over the minimum required height,,,
This was carved from a picture of her at a department barbecue,,,
They called her the "Valley Girl Cop".

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Anyways, check out Packing Iron,,,
It makes a great coffee table book.

Aarond

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A bit of a stray from the topic but as a man who grew up riding horses bareback and often with just a few lengths of baler twine around the muzzle of the horse as a bridle while bringing the cows up for evening milking I enjoy watching actors riding in the movies. It is easy to separate those who are comfortable on a horse from those who are not.
 
A bit of a stray from the topic but as a man who grew up riding horses bareback and often with just a few lengths of baler twine around the muzzle of the horse as a bridle while bringing the cows up for evening milking I enjoy watching actors riding in the movies. It is easy to separate those who are comfortable on a horse from those who are not.
It really is, isn't it? There are some actors who just plain look stiff.
 
I get a kick outta that as well, having grown up riding hayburners. My way of spotting a poor rider is to look at their feet, heels should be down and legs forward not straight under the rider, that posture cuts down on the gap between the saddle and riders backside.
 
I thought you did that (what Jackrabbit1957 suggested) to keep the arse from being pounded. I don't think "I gwine the cavalry." Left and right: medieval and mother hubbard saddle:
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montana loop holster & sporran (which is what happens when you don't have pockets) montana_loop.png medieval_scottish.png
 
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