Attention Potential Ban Profiteers: Hr1022 Sux!

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Not just on this forum, but several, I have seen discussions involving people who fondly remember the 1994 Clinton Evil Features AWB in terms of, how much the value of preban mags, EBRs, etc all went up, and how much money they made profiteering from people who were rushing to hoard after the ban, and how they wish that would happen again.

This is wrong on so many levels.
For shame on anyone who feels this way!

The "NEW" ban, HR1022, is out there, stalled in judicial committees and just waiting for the Democrat in office to ram it past.

NO sunset in this one, and it lists by NAME specifically nearly any kind of EBR or carbine out there, as well as specifically anything similar to those named weapons.
It's a BAD bill.

They even ban M1 Carbines by name.

Wishing for it to pass to make money is about as anti-2A as you can get and an insult to all Americans. If you would pee on a American Flag for profit, or trample the Constitution into the mud to make a buck, you have no need to pretend to be a gun enthusiast.

Here is the text of HR1022 again so all can see it and decide for themselves how much "profit" they want to make by supporting it:

Text of Legislation
HR 1022 IH


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1022
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


February 13, 2007

Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'.


SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

(a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.

(b) Reinstatement of Provisions Partially Repealed- Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:

`(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;'; and

(2) in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause (i) and inserting the following:

`(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or'.


SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Calico M-110;

`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

`(v) Uzi.

`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Armscor 30 BG;

`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

`(iii) Striker 12; or

`(iv) Streetsweeper.

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a barrel shroud; or

`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip;

`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.

`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

(b) Related Definitions- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) Barrel Shroud- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

`(37) Conversion Kit- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

`(38) Detachable Magazine- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.

`(39) Fixed Magazine- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.

`(40) Folding or Telescoping Stock- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm.

`(41) Forward Grip- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.

`(42) Pistol Grip- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

`(43) Threaded Barrel- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'.


SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION.

Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)'; and

(2) by adding after and below the end the following:

`(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the enactment of this subparagraph.'.


SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.

Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:

`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--

`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;

`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

`(C) is an antique firearm.'.


SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through--

`(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or

`(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g).

`(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.'.


SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.

(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following:

`(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.

(b) Certification Requirement-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(A) in paragraph (3)--

(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and

(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and

(B) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:

`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'.

(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.


SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.

Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)--

(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and

(B) by adding at the end the following:

`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or

`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and

(2) in paragraph (2)--

(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and

(B) by adding at the end the following:

`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or

`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.


SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.

(a) In General- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)';

(2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `(B) Subparagraph (A)'; and

(3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following:

`(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'.
 
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READ this bill carefully. Specifically:

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

That says, plain as day, any weapon used by the military (And that includes M9 Beretta 92F, M11 Sig P228, Mossberg pump shotguns, Rem 700 rifles, etc) is NOT SUITED for SPORTING PURPOSES and is BANNED because the .gov buys them.

Oh, you think that's just long guns?

No.

In the first line it specifically says "Rifles/Shotguns" and from then on, it does NOT. If they meant specifically Rifles/Shotguns they would continue to use those terms... instead they say "Firearm".. which means pistols, as well.

...In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes...

Rebuttable Presumption means "You have to PROVE that we are wrong in our presumption". Then they say that just because something is suitable for sporting use does not make it sporting.

What do you think that means?

It means, even though the presumption is rebuttable, it is not automatically overturnable, or even easily overturnable.

And the .gov has already ruled that "plinking" is not a sporting purpose.

Uncle Sam just needs to have somebody buy ONE COPY of a gun and forever after that gun is illegal for civilians like us.

Wake up and smell the coffee, people, wishing for "the ban" to make a buck is like wishing for your parents to die so you can inherit the house.
 
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Oh yeah, there are now SIXTY co-sponsors of this piece of trash. Does anyone really think that Mr. Obama, faced with another psycho that shoots up a mall or school, will NOT jump right out and use this existing legislature to take away the 2A?
Ms Hilary's feelings are also well known against the 2A.
Even McCain is not particularly well disposed towards the 2A.

We all need to work together to defeat this bill with any means we can.

Wishing to make a quick buck on the misery of fellow Americans is anti-American.
 
Think you're going to sell preban EBRs and full-cap mags for profit? Read this section:

SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.

(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following:

`(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

Plain as day. Buy a bunch of preban EBRs and fullcap mags, you are STUCK WITH THEM. No profit for you. THINK ABOUT IT!
 
how they wish that would happen again.

Post a link to one single post on THR where a member has wished for that.

Otherwise you sound kinda twisted up, posting to yourself 4 or 5 times in a row.....

I've never seen anyone say they wanted this to happen again, just that they think it's prudent to be prepared in case it does.
 
(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.

Looks like you have to transfer the weapon with a 5 rounder. Mags can be bought and sold at will... there's still a place for the profiteer.
 
While I read the one post by the guy who has been a member for 1 day and has 6 posts, I'd say for the most part you are preaching to the choir.

I know lots of people buying stripped lowers and lots of magazines. I don't think any of them are doing it for profit, and none of them are hoping for a ban; they just want to make sure they have their own lifetime supply of build parts.
 
The world is changing so fast...


I wonder what Thomas Paine would write about such laws?
I wonder what Washington would do about such laws?
 
Well Pain and Washington are long gone (and most definantly rolling in their graves), so it's up to us now.
 
Evan,

Thank you for posting this inportant information. As I was readng it I was thinking of how many gun owners would think, "Naw, that doesn't apply to me, so I'm not worried" Looks like you saw the same stuff I did. It sure as hell does apply to them.

According to the surface of this bill, I own quite a few firearms which will be on the list, simply because I prefer military or military type firearms. It even includes the Hi Point carbine, presumably because it was used in one of the school shootings in the past. Anyone who willingly refuses to believe this is breathing very murky air.

The anti's work very carefully and with considerable knowledge of how to approach their enemies (all gun owners). Yes, their proposed legislation seems to be so outrageous that many people scoff at it. They use tactics used successfully in the past by many persons who intended to establish absolute control. The BIG LIE, The BIG SCARE, diversion of public interest to sonething outside the continental US (Afghanistan & Iraq), threats to the homeland, etc. What gunowners seem to think is that if they beat back the outrageous attempts to infringe upon the 2nd amendment that they have won the war. NO WAY! If we compromise in any way, they still won. Keeping some of our rights is not winning. If they infringe in any way, THEY WON. And they know it.

Getting eaten an inch at a time is not winning, it just delays the inevitable. Reminds me of the rabbit in the snake's mouth trying to choke the snake. The anti's will win in the end simply because so many people are willing to compromise.
 
Buy A Gun with the Stimulus Check

I for one am planning on using the silly stimulus check the government is sending me and every other American to buy a gun, ammo and mags.
 
Michael, many people I've spoken to plan to do quite the same! I have a 40mm launcher that I'm looking at with those funds in mind. :D
 
Not sure if part of this was directed at me.....read my reply in the thread linked higher up this page. If you still have questions, click on my name and then click on the "Find More Posts By This User" link. That should clear up any questions about what I think about any potential bans. Profiteering has nothing to do with anything. (I dont sell what I think I may never be able to get again). My question had everything to do with helping to motivate certain family members of mine to go ahead and buy what they have been talking about for a long time now.
 
Kentucky I don't believe it was directed at you, it was directed at this remark in that thread:


"I hope they bring the ban back! I sold 11 weapons during that time and the incredible pricing allowed me to dramatically increase my collection. I made more than 4000% profit on those weapons. I had an AR that had more than 1000 rounds through it, that I bought for $475 that I unloaded for $1800. Mags that I had laying around that I bought for $5 to $10 were selling for $75. Ahhhhhh those were the good old days"
 
TexasRifleman:

Post a link to one single post on THR where a member has wished for that.

Otherwise you sound kinda twisted up, posting to yourself 4 or 5 times in a row.....

I've never seen anyone say they wanted this to happen again, just that they think it's prudent to be prepared in case it does.

Rub your eyes and look at http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4199549&postcount=8. I think it, or perhaps another like it, triggered Evan's response:

Rugermeister:

I hope they bring the ban back! I sold 11 weapons during that time and the incredible pricing allowed me to dramatically increase my collection. I made more than 4000% profit on those weapons. I had an AR that had more than 1000 rounds through it, that I bought for $475 that I unloaded for $1800. Mags that I had laying around that I bought for $5 to $10 were selling for $75. Ahhhhhh those were the good old days

I had to rub my eyes a few times before I could believe he said what he said. But he did.
 
The remark by Rugermeister hit my critical mass.
I've been banging the HR1022 drum since more than a year ago.

It's not just one user on one forum.
I've heard this same nonsense from people on other forums, at the range, at gun shows... it makes me sick that people could even consider trying to push through restrictive and anti-Constitutional legislation for the purpose of them making a buck.

Sure maybe I posted a few times but I was trying to organize individual thoughts in a way that wouldn't leave someone reading a gigantic 2-page post.

HR1022 did not "go away" after we started objecting. It never was killed off. It lurks, waiting.

The original post from 1996 may have slipped down a bunch of pages, since it isn't stickied. People forget. People think its gone because it didn't happen yet.

We have to remember the assault on the 2A never goes away.

If this post makes ONE person remember the danger we are all in, if it shows ONE person who never heard of HR1022 what it means, then it is worth the effort.
 
What should I be doing? I get complacent at times, living in one of the most pro-gun of pro-gun states that I don't think of how I should be helping on other fronts.
 
Evan Price said:
That says, plain as day, any weapon used by the military (And that includes M9 Beretta 92F, M11 Sig P228, Mossberg pump shotguns, Rem 700 rifles, etc) is NOT SUITED for SPORTING PURPOSES and is BANNED because the .gov buys them.

You forgot the old war horse, the 1911 which so many of us love. A lot of revolvers would fall under that, too.

Interesting to note that the bill lists the Kel-Tec Sub carbines, but not the SU16 rifles. Those look more "evil" to me than the toy-like looking Sub carbines. They also fire a rifle round, which is much more powerful than the pistol rounds the carbines use.

It also lists the SKS with detachable magazine. Were any SKSs ever originally manufactured to take these? Every one I've ever seen had the fixed magazine originally, even if it was modified later. I know I tried this mod, but I could never get mine to run reliably so I went back to the ol' reliable fixed magazine.


This "does not serve a sporting purpose" phrase is very scary. If the military/police thing passes, it won't be long before they come after ALL semi-auto firearms. This is mainly a cosmetic EBR thing. They'll soon equate a Ruger Mini 14 in .223 with an AK/AR in .223 because they function in the EXACT same semi-auto fashion and have the same destructive/killing power as the military guns. :rolleyes:
 
sonyhoppes,

Guess again. An in depth reading of what Evan posted says specifically the Mini 14, M1 Carbine, Hi Point Carbine, and other military or law enforcement firearms. That would include Springfield O3A3, Enfields, M1. M14 etc. Basically any former military, current military, or former law enforcement or current law enforcement. Start adding them up. Glock, Sig, H&K, Smith and Wesson, etc. etc. etc. It also says clones of these LE and military firearms are included.

Best get on the horn to your Senate and House people!
 
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