Attorney accidentally shoots self in class

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uhm Common Sense here

Glock's and retention holsters are not a good mix, last time I heard this story someone had posted about a female DC cop who shot her leg with her Glock when the retention device got in the trigger guard. Anyone can do this easy, all it takes is 1 second, oops, forgot to move the retention device over.


Note to self and all others: Need safety on gun if you use retention type holster.
 
While I'm certainly sorry to hear about this mishap, all these stories about the glock going off unintentionally makes me wonder how it ever got the foothold that it currently enjoys.
You have to look at the number of glocks in circulation vs the number of idiots who manage to shoot themsevles with one (Now, I'm not saying that everyone that shoots themselves accidently is an idiot, I know accidents happen and even a genius has occasional brainfarts).

Its just like kB!s. Theres kB! stories all over the place, but in fact its a rare occurance, and only a very small percentage of .40 glocks explode.

Glad she wasnt hurt worse. Lucky, considering it was a 10mm.

Mete, holding women to the same standards as a man while they handle firearms is hardly insensitive IMO.
 
I can't believe there are people here blaming the gun for this. It's a tool, if it has no manual safety then it would be best to use it as if it had no manual safety. Glocks go off when you pull the triggers - or anything pulls the trigger. If that's not up your alley, there are plenty of other guns out there, I'm sure you can find one more to your liking.

But if you choose a tool that functions a certain way, it would be a good idea to handle it in a manner that is appropriate to the design. If you used a circular saw without a blade-guard and cut your leg in a way that would have been prevented if it had a blade-guard, would you blame the saw? Or would you be to blame for not using the tool correctly.

- Gabe
 
I can't believe there are people here blaming the gun for this.
GRD -

I just re-scanned the entire thread, and I didn't see anybody "blaming the gun for this." I did see a few posts assuming negligence on the shooter's part.
 
...only a very small percentage of .40 glocks explode.
-Zach S.

I was thinking; maybe Glock can use this in their advertising.

"Glock - The best product for the best value. Only a very small percentage of our guns explode."

Zac S, watch their web site. If they use this line, they owe you.
 
How do you shoot yourself in the leg with a 10mm and NOT get badly hurt. I thought the 10mm was supposed to be a devastating weapon. She's just lucky it wasn't a .22!!!!
 
Yes, only a few of the .40 Glocks explode, and I've yet to hear of one where the explosion wasn't the result of an ammo problem, or barrel leading causing increased chamber pressure.

Glock's design is a little less forgiving of ammo faults. It's less fully supported chamber has a slight chance of allowing a case rupture in a round that would barely survive ina different gun. However, if the ammo performs as it's supposed to, then it won't rupture.

Holstering a gun is one of the most common times that a gun is unintentionally discharged. Retention straps are sometimes blamed. People not keeping their finger out of the trigger guard while reholstering is another common cause.

Neither if the fault of the gun. There are a considerable number of unintentional discharges with glocks, because there's a lot of Glocks out there. If you keep things out of the way of the trigger when reholstering, the gun won't go off.

Glocks are simple, you pull the trigger, the gun fires. If you are concerned about accidently pulling the trigger, maybe a different gun suits you better.
 
>>How do you shoot yourself in the leg with a 10mm and NOT get badly hurt<<

From what she told us the other night, it just grazed her. (luckily)
 
So I was thinking (always a dangerous thing).


Why has no one not brought up the fact that had this been a 45 instead of 10mm she obviously would have been more seriously hurt and had it been a 9mm instead of a 10mm, it would of just bounced off.


Just been fascious by the way.;)
 
El T ~

Given that the bullet fired into her left leg (per the news report here,) and given that she was an advanced student, I would say that's a pretty good bet.

As mvpel (who claims he was there) points out in this thread on TFL.

pax
 
Some people seem dubious about Ayoob's assertion that she was a "skillful and confident gun handler."

I think I fit that definition, and yet I had a ND once. Fortunately for me I only missed one of the four rules so the shot hit the deck in front of me downrange, and I was alone so there was no newspaper article to further embarrass me.

Stuff happens, and as humans there is only so much we can do to prevent it.
 
Okay, first off, as a lawyer, I'm disappointed in the overwhelming lack of lawyer jokes here. Not that this is a joking situation, but a lawyer involved in an unintentional discharge seems like the set up for a joke. And, while some of the more sensitive would see the situation as not warranting a joke, the fact that she suffered minor injuries and will be fine makes me think that she's taking some light-hearted abuse in her own life, and would forgive us a laugh with her (not at her).

Second, I feel I must agree with the many postings that say Glocks are not the best choice for an inexperienced gunner. That said, in my part of the world, three agencies issue Glock .40's (22, 23, and 27), and I can think of five unintentional discarges. One was an officer drawing from an ankle holster during qualifying, who shot himself in the leg by pulling the trigger when the slide caught on his cuff and brought the gun to a quick halt while his finger was on the trigger. The second was on the same day, when a second officer went to assist the first. He put his own Glock 27 in his case, secured the case, and assisted in first aid. When he got home and ready to clean, he dropped the empty mag and pulled the trigger to strip the gun. You can guess, a round in the chamber, and a hole in his hand. the third is much like the second. Glock 23, fell asleep after cleaning, awakened by crying baby. Took care of baby, realized he didn't clean his gun (lack-of-sleep induced thinking), so he drops the mag, pulls the trigger, and puts a round in his calf. Fourth was a senior detective who decided to clean his Glock 30. Did so properly, then loaded the chamber and dropped the mad to top off. Phone rang, and after call, he picks up the Glock with no mag, aims at the closet, and pulls the trigger. Hydrashok into Nike, with predictable results. Fifth, and actually the most serious, an officer fighting with a subject. Subject makes a grab for the gun. Officer draws. During the struggle, officer jerks the Glock 22 back, and pulls the trigger in the process, one hit to the abdomen o fthe subject, who recovered later.

See a trend? Of the five I know of, four were purely operator error. The only gun-fault unintentional discharge I've ever heard of was with a Ruger P94, which as a result of home gunsmithing had the firing pin block removed, and the gun fired when the officer used his guh-side hip to try to force open a locked door.

If the shooter takes proper care, uses proper equipment, and pays attention to what he or she is doing, the Glock is no more or less dangerous than any other firearm. (By the way, no female officer has ever had an unintentional discharge around here. Hmmm.)

As for Glock .40 kB, none any of the firearms instructors are aware of. THough there was an interesting story with a Tec-9...
 
A number of things..

1. I am curious about the damage done by the 10mm..anyone have any further details..

2. I have a Glock and believe me if I did not have a very disciplined trigger finger I would have had an AD/ND. I remember once my finger slipping off the side of the frame into the triggerguard after I was bumped during a draw, the finger caught the trigger off center so the 'trigger safety' saved me. Since that time I carry my finger low and it is positioned directly across the triggerguard to prevent a reoccurence. It if slides it is off the gun and to get into the triggerguard I have to make a conscious decision to bend the finger and insert inside the triggerguard.

3. When I am in the house the weapon never has a bullet chambered even when locked away simply because even a 'bad grab' by myself could result in an AD.

4. The Glock taught me to LOOK at the reholstering process whilst reholstering after a friend shot himself in the leg due to the holster's thumbstrap getting into the triggerguard, he actually felt a resistance whilst reholstering, said it was normal for IWB reinsertion and he pushed harder only to hear the explosion. This was at a range and we were getting ready to leave to go back on the road. He never even knew he had been shot until his pants started feeling wet. It was a very bad wound as it severed an artery but we got medical attention quickly.


Key learning: With the GLOCK always LOOK when picking the weapon up, holstering the weapon, changing hands etc. DO NOT RELY ON FEEL ALONE. IT IS UNFORGIVING OF MISTAKES SO VERIFY,VERIFY, VERIFY!!
 
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