Aussie Scoffs At Political Threat Of Hunters

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January 29, 2003, Wednesday

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HEADLINE: Duck hunters are no threat to Steve

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YOUR reporter, Peter Hunt (WT, Jan 15), is living in fairyland when he asks whether the Bracks Government is "willing to take on Victoria's 25,000 duck shooters" in a bid to satisfy Green Party demands for a permanent ban on shooting native waterbirds.

Victorian duck shooters pose absolutely no threat to the Victorian Government.

The recreational shooting of native waterbirds has already been banned in two states by Labor governments. Premier Carmen Lawrence banned it in Western Australia in 1990, saying the community had "reached a stage of enlightenment where it can no longer accept the institutionalised killing of native birds for recreation".

Recreational duck shooting remains banned in that state.

NSW Premier Bob Carr did the same five years later, not long after Labor won office.

Shooters in NSW said Premier Carr would be thrown out of office because of that decision. Yet, eight years on, Labor is still there.

Shooters also vowed to remove the federal Liberal Government after Prime Minister John Howard banned semi-automatic weapons in 1997, following the Port Arthur tragedy.

Yet both the Liberals and Mr Howard are still in office.

When Premier Steve Bracks banned semi-automatic pistols late last year after the tragic shootings at Monash University, shooting organisations huffed and puffed about the proposed ban before running out of steam.

In 1986, there were around 95,000 duck shooters in Victoria.

With the change in public opinion over the past 17 years, the numbers of duck shooters on Victoria's wetlands during the opening weekend of the duck season have dropped to a couple of thousand only.

Although some 21,000 Victorians still hold game licences, few of them are still active.

Following tougher new gun laws introduced in 1997 after Port Arthur, many shotgun owners still retain their game licences as a reason to legitimately own a shotgun, even though they no longer shoot native waterbirds.

No, Mr Hunt, the Victorian Labor Government has nothing to fear by banning recreational duck shooting.

Laurie Levy, South Melbourne

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You're right, it is Aussie-land. The pain-killers seem to be having more effect than I thought.
 
Where does Canada come into it? It sounds like Australia to me.

Either way, I agree, there should be a long season for liberals with high bag limits.

Greg
 
Folks, Laurie Levy is sick.....

you would have to burn his carcass rather than risk 'mad cow' disease from it:D

He loves his ducks so much that his intellect has converged with theirs...he and his band of elves have been arrested for blocking hunters and even grabbing at their shotguns:what:

Urban 'nature-lovers' seldom let reason stand in the way of a cause:rolleyes:
 
Laurie Levy really needs to have his hand grafted off "it"! :evil:

Shooters did, in fact, toss out a State government with evil intentions. And while it's true Howard did get re-elected, his party lost over one million votes -- and a whole lot of those were shooters.

There is no duck hunting season in Western Australia -- true; but landowners are allowed to shoot them for "vermin control" or "pest mitigation" reasons. Not supposed to eat them -- but, hey ..... :D

As regards handguns, we (shooters) managed so far to avert a total ban -- and the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

Levy should be a little more honest, too -- and confess he is a gun-grabbing animal libber, whose followers have been long suspected of killing protected bird species, or collecting those who died of natural causes -- and blaming it on shooters. He conveniently forgets that in many jurisdictions courts have ruled against him and his bliss ninny followers and affirmed the rights of hunters to hunt and shoot without hindrance, harassment or restriction. :neener:

Cheers

Bruce
 
Oh really?

"the Victorian Labor Government has nothing to fear by banning recreational duck shooting"

They might think otherwise after his personal jet tries to fly through a huge flock.
 
It seems to me that he probably doesn't have anything to fear politically from the duck hunters. :( If 3/4 of the duck hunters have quit hunting ducks since 1986, they are probably not going to stand up to the government over this. "I've already quit duck hunting so it doesn't affect me, right?" :rolleyes: With all of the other gun bans that have gone into effect in the past few years, if all of the gun owners, not just hunters, haven't banded together to throw these guys out, it's not going to happen now. (How was that for a run on sentence?:D ) I don't think the Victorian Labor government has anything to fear. Unfortunately.
 
I wouldn't believe a word that Laurie Levy says. He's as silly as a wheel. The figures he quotes are highly suspect. :cuss:

It's unfortunately true that Bracks and Labor have little to fear - he has just been re-elected, but I would suggest that's mainly because the opposition was well nigh useless.

It is also true that gun-owners are a pretty apathetic bunch for the most part and, as some one wrote, if it doesn't directly affect them - too bad. But I don't think that's something that is peculiar to Australia. Seems to me that considering the number of gun-owners in the US, only a small proportion of them are politically active. The great advantage that you do have is the higher rate of membership of the NRA (1.43% of the total population) as compared to Australia's SSAA (.65% of the total population).
 
highpower22,
I didn't mean to imply that the apathy was peculiar to Australia at all. We more than enough of that to go around here ;)
I just don't understand how the antigun crowd took over so quickly there. I always thought of the Aussies as rugged individualists, pioneers of rugged lands, descendants of rogues and ruffians etc. I would have thought that the "frontier spirit" would have kept the bliss ninnies at bay longer. Please don't take this as a criticism of Australia, it was always the place that I figured I would go if the sheep took complete control here. Now I guess I'll just have to make sure they don't take over here. I have nowhere else to go. :mad:
 
DadOfThree,

Please don't apologise, no offence was taken. I get very het up at the complete lack of action by the majority of Australian shooters. The task here, as elsewhere, is left to a small number of political activists. The rest have to be led by the nose.

The anti-gun crowd hasn't as much influence as they believe. The appearance on the scene of the most anti-gun prime minister in our history was a happy coincidence for them. And remember we don't have the protection of a second amendment.

The framers of the Australian Constitution considered a Bill of Rights but decided that their rights were so self evident they could not concieve of them being trampled. How wrong they were.

As for rugged individualism and "frontier spirit", most Australian live in cities around the coast. And that's where the bliss ninnies live, too. The Outback contains it's fair share of rugged individuals but we're :D sadly outnumbered.
 
hipower has it....

The 'anti-gun crowd' wasn't doing so well until a Prime Minister with rampant hoplophobia happened into office.:mad:
Think of Bill Clinton with more direct power to force legislation and no equivalent of conservative Republicans to stop him:uhoh:
Most rural Australians don't get all worked-up over the gun issue, but as hipower says, most Australians aren't rural, either.:(
It's still a beautiful country, DadOfThree, by all means come and see it. Outback Oz is a big change from the till plains around Upland. As a university student I worked two summers at Camp Windigo...that ice cream shop in Upland got a lot of business from me! :D
 
falling block,
:D :D :D The name of the ice cream place is Ivanhoes. I'll let them know that they even have a rep in Australia. I'd still love to visit you guys but being a DadOfThree, I'll probably have to wait until they are all through college. I've got one in college now and 2 to go.
 
Aussie Scoffs
I wonder what sort of magnifying effect takes place in the balance of the Universe when Aussies (who are a laughing stock of the Universe) scoff at anything?:confused: :scrutiny:

Can that place get any goofier? How freaking sad.:( :banghead:
 
Ivanhoes! of course...

Thanks, DadOfThree; those two summers were in '77&'78, so the memory was struggling for the name...but they were the place to be in Upland in summer.
"One in college and two to go":what: is the student at Taylor?
I did my undergrad at Anderson College...some nice small schools around Indiana.
Well, Australia will still be here when you're ready, but we may be reduced to flintlocks and bows before long:rolleyes:

Whoa! jmbg29...John Crook is an idiot who happens to be an Aussie; there aren't many like him; like the type in the U.S., they just tend to make a lot of noise:D
Think of Ben Affleck without the fame or the look, add forty years and you'd be closing in on Mr. Crook :)
 
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