(Australia) Gun facts speak for themselves (facts is such a subjective term, though)

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April 27, 2003 Sunday

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HEADLINE: Gun facts speak for themselves

BYLINE: DANIELLE WOOD

BODY:
IN visiting Californian Fulbright Fellow Ellen Boneparth's research paper into the impact of gun control laws in Australia, this fact is underlined:

Martin Bryant's 1996 killing spree which left 35 dead and another 19 injured precipitated a ban on semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns and a gun buy-back scheme which saw more than 643,000 guns handed in.

In Australia, between 1987 and 1996, 100 people were killed in mass killings, Dr Boneparth said. But since 1996, this country has not seen a mass killing -- usually defined, Dr Boneparth said, by the deaths of four or more people.

"This is not to claim there will never be another massacre, but the likelihood of mass killings seems significantly reduced," she argues.

As the seventh anniversary of the Port Arthur massacre approaches tomorrow, Dr Boneparth is releasing her findings.

She has spent the past few months at the University of Sydney trawling through this country's institutional records in search of data on the impact of the landmark 1996 gun control laws.

She wears her political colours openly -- she is a gun-control advocate, and one of the so-called Million Moms who marched through US cities in 2000 campaigning for sensible gun laws.

Dr Boneparth says there are many factors that contribute to the incidence of gun-related crime, including poverty, drug usage and law enforcement as well as legislative gun control.

But, she says, when you compare gun-related crime rates in the US, where gun laws are looser and less uniform across the states, with Australia, which has since 1996 had relatively uniform legislation, the figures are stark.

In Australia 25 per cent of homes have a gun, in the US it's 40 per cent. Firearm homicide compares at three per million to 14 per million, and firearm suicide at 13 per million in Australia to 64 per million in the US. And for most other crimes, the rates are about the same, Dr Boneparth said.

"This is prima facie evidence that guns are a main source of the problem," she says. "Australia, by banning certain categories of guns and instituting relatively uniform national laws, has adopted preventative measures that are having an effect on decreasing gun violence.

"US governments have been either unable or unwilling to do the same. US gun control policies at the state and local level are eclipsed by national failure to achieve uniform policy.

"With the exception of educational efforts, current US approaches to confront gun violence -- law enforcement and litigation -- are more reactive than preventative."

Some of the most important figures Dr Boneparth is working with come from the Australian Institute of Criminology. These figures have enabled her to identify a number of trend lines which show that while homicides, suicides and robberies using firearms are on the decrease in Australia, homicides and suicides using hand-guns are on the increase.

An incident at Monash University in October last year saw two people killed and five others injured by a man using a semi-automatic hand-gun. That man, says Boneparth, was a licensed gun owner, member of a shooting club and the owner of seven hand-guns.

This event precipitated discussion about hand-gun control, which is set to be the next major issue in the Australian gun control debate.

Dr Boneparth's view is that the Australian government's response to the hand-gun issue -- with the states supposedly aiming to bring new legislation by July 1 this year -- doesn't go far enough.

"While Australia has made admirable strides in decreasing gun violence, compromise is currently the name of the game," she writes.

Tasmanian Firearm Owners Association president John Green said the shortcoming in Dr Boneparth's research was that it doesn't break firearm crime down into crimes committed with registered guns and by licensed shooters and those committed with unregistered guns by unlicensed shooters.

"Taking guns off law-abiding citizens will not make the community safer because not enough is being done about the criminal element," he said.
 
In Australia, between 1987 and 1996, 100 people were killed in mass killings, Dr Boneparth said. But since 1996, this country has not seen a mass killing -- usually defined, Dr Boneparth said, by the deaths of four or more people.

Queensland Backpacker Hostel fire, 15 tourists killed in June 2000 and an individual was convicted on multiple charges of murder and arson.
I guess arson does not fit with her statistics.

Dr Boneparth says there are many factors that contribute to the incidence of gun-related crime, including poverty, drug usage and law enforcement as well as legislative gun control.

I'd add the prevelance of firearms among the criminal element [Australia and the United States would likely be very different in this regard]. Also the rural/urban breakdown on gun ownership and crime comparsions [Rural Victoria like rural Vermont is probably awash in firearms but neither are like Beriut].

"US governments have been either unable or unwilling to do the same. US gun control policies at the state and local level are eclipsed by national failure to achieve uniform policy.

This "study" is likely to appear soon in the U.S. as evidence that Australian gun control works and needs to be implemented on a Federal level.

"While Australia has made admirable strides in decreasing gun violence, compromise is currently the name of the game," she writes.

Still using the old "compromise" argument, she needs a new sales pitch they wore that one out.
 
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(Australia) Gun Facts..

As those in the "Anti-Gun Brigade" Celebrate the 7th Anniversary of the Port Arthur Massacre, Members of the Gun Owners Liberation Front are amazed at the ongoing attempts at vilification of Firearms Owners and the massive waste of money and Police resources, in harassing Sporting Shooters, Farmers etc., for minor breaches of increasingly complex Firearms Laws, while the REAL Criminals seem to get an easy go.
Here are the latest facts... The Australian Institute of Criminology just recently released their Report #46, "Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002", which shows that Murder went up by 20% for the last (financial) year. This is a dramatic and frightening aspect to consider about living in Australia. Strangely, the Anti-Gunners have ignored this latest data!
Mass Murders have continued (e.g.Childers Qld. Back-Packers Fire...15 dead, Snow Town S.A. 12 dead)
Multiple Murders have increased (many committed with car exhaust), Knife Murders have increased, but most murders are still committed with "blunt objects".
With the Australian Prime Minister (John Howard) such a fanatical Firearms Hater, why haven't we heard him claim that these latest figures are "..a Victory for Gun Laws"?? Isn't it his twisted logic that it is totally unacceptable for a person to be killed by a gun, but apparently of little concern that people are being killed in greater numbers, by knives, bricks and cricket bats?
Isn't that why we had to hand in more than 600,000 self-loading rabbit rifles and fox guns, and why Police put maximum effort into harassing Firearms Owners, for minor breaches of ever-complicated laws, e.g. recently an 80 year old farmer was charged with not keeping his rifle securely locked away...Maximum Penalty, 14 years in jail!! Meanwhile the REAL CRIMINALS, are ingored or get let off with a warning!
Australians are about to be faced with another round of gun buy-backs, this time from the very group that are least likely to commit any gun crime, Licenced Sporting Shooters: estimated cost to taxpayers, $250 million. With more valuable police resources misdirected towards Law Abiding Firearms Owners, rather than the REAL Criminals, let's place our bets now, on yet another dramatic and frightening increase in murders next year. Meanwhile, the Mentally Disturbed still remain untreated, the Drug Dealers still operate with impunity, Gangs still control many of our suburbs, Violent Video games are still available and our Medical System is at the point of collapse.
Please help us get Liberation for Firearms Owners.
Thanks from:
Aussie G.O.L.F. ( Gun Owners Liberation Front)
P.S. Australian Prime Minister Howard will be visiting Pres. Bush's Texas ranch this week. Perhaps some of you can alert the local media about Howard's Gun-Hating habits! Perhaps Bush will take him shooting?
 
The unheard questions are screaming to be heard.

In Australia, between 1987 and 1996, 100 people were killed in mass killings, Dr Boneparth said. But since 1996, this country has not seen a mass killing -- usually defined, Dr Boneparth said, by the deaths of four or more people.

OK, no mass killing since 1996. How about the yearly average total NUMBER Of HOMICIDES from 1987 to 1996? Was there an increase or decrease in the yearly average TOTAL NUMBER Of HOMICIDES since then, firearm related and non-firearm related?

What has happened to the average yearly TOTAL robbery rate between 1987 and 1996 and the yearly average rate since 1996.

Same question on rapes and assault.

They like to spew their numbers around but "forget" to draw up the whole picture.:barf: :barf:
 
The Australian Institute of Criminology...

is notorious for their anti-gun bias.

The homicide rate has remained remarkably steady over the years before and after the 'buyback'...more feet, fists, clubs and knives used, but similar numbers of dead victims resulting.:scrutiny:

You tell 'em, Wheels!
 
wheels, and any gun owners in the Crawford, Texas, area

I emailed the Texas State Rifle Association suggesting they might like to display a sign offering support for Australian gun owners when Howard visits the President's ranch.

If there are any Highroaders in the Crawford area who might be interested in letting John Howard know that "he might be able to run but he can't hide" I'm sure all Aussie gun owners would be extremely grateful.

The amount of the publicity this would generate for shooters all over the world would be enormous, and what a kick in the teeth it would be for the most rabidly anti-gun prime minister in Australia's history.

:neener: :neener: :neener:
 
(Australia) Gun Facts..

Thanks to Hipower22 and others in getting together some form of media protest agin Howard in Texas. We are beginning to feel like we are living under some repressive Government here. Maybe what we need is "regime change"!
 
Following the Iraq conflict, we've had people here in Australia wanting to know "when we became the 51st state of the USA". My only reply is, "Please -- don't tease me!!".

PLEASE confront our gun-hating PM when he visits Texas.

PLEASE

Bruce
 
Hi Bruce.

In 2000, I sent an email to the Prime Minister pointing out the absurdity of taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. I got two responses, set forth below. Note that because I wrote to the PM on the subject of guns, my name has now been placed on file with the Australian police. I would love to see Australia, but I will never go now.

from The [email protected]>
to Mr M Ledbetter

Dear Mr Ledbetter

Thank you for your email of 10 May 2000 concerning gun laws. I have been
requested to reply to you on the Premier's behalf.

The contents of your email have been noted.

As the matter you have raised comes within the responsibility of the
Honourable Tom Barton MLA, Minister for Police and Corrective Services, I
have taken the liberty of forwarding a copy of your email to him for his
information.

Please be assured that Mr Barton will give your views his full
consideration.

Yours sincerely

Rob Whiddon
Chief of Staff

AND THEN

from Police <[email protected]>

Dear Mr Ledbetter

Thank you for your letter dated 10 May 2000 forwarded to this office from
the Office of the Premier, regarding gun laws.

I have been asked to acknowledge receipt of your letter on behalf of the
Honourable Tom Barton MLA, Minister for Police and Corrective Services. I
have been advised that the Minister has noted your comments with interest.
Your correspondence has been forwarded to the Commissioner of Police for his
attention and consideration.

Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of the Minister.

Yours sincerely

(as this is e-mail, please consider this correspondence signed)

ROSS MUSGROVE
Ministerial Advisor
 
You got it, Desertdog!!

The Australian Government specializes in ignoring any citizen
(or subject, if you take that Q.E.II stuff seriously) who objects to government policy.

I've written dozens of letters to everyone from the P.M.'s personal advisor down to the N.T. police minister concerning the proposed handgun legislation and had the same "thanks...go away" sort of reply.

One huge problem for Australian's firearms owners is that all the other major parties are even more opposed to firearms ownership than Howard's 'Liberal-National Coalition'.

And there's no codified protection of RKBA. None.:uhoh:
 
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