Australia: "Surrender your weapons"

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http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,6883543%5E2862,00.html
Surrender your weapons

By TANYA GILES
08aug03

VICTORIAN handgun owners will today begin giving up weapons banned after the Monash University shooting.

The surrender is part of a national buyback scheme in which up to 10,000 of the state's 46,986 registered firearms will be collected and destroyed.
The rolling schedule will begin in Geelong today, followed by other regional centres including Warrnambool, Horsham and Mildura.

The State Government has set aside $20.5 million over the next five years for the scheme. About $7 million has been allocated for buying back the firearms.

Under tough new laws, all semi-automatic pistols with a barrel length of 120mm or less and single-shot pistols and revolvers with a barrel length of 100mm or less are banned.

Handguns with a calibre of more than .38 inches and magazines with a capacity of more than 10 shots are now also illegal.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said those surrendering guns need to bring their handgun licence, any prohibited handguns and any major parts and accessories with them to their local buyback centre.

Police would then attend gun clubs and other venues to collect the firearms for destruction.

Mr Haermeyer said handgun owners unable to attend their local buyback centre on the designated date would be able to make other arrangements.

Mr Haermeyer said a support system would report all transactions and ensure consistent identification and pricing of firearms across Australia.

The national push to toughen handgun laws was a direct response to a Herald Sun report after last year's university shooting, which revealed student Huan Yun Xiang -- accused of killing two classmates and wounding five others -- owned seven legal handguns.

The gun amnesty ends on December 31, after which gun owners face tough fines and jail terms for possessing illegal weapons.

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I wonder if barrel lengths were recorded when the guns were registered. If not, there should be a run to the gunsmiths to lengthen barrels. Could be a fortune in barrel sales and short barrels could be snapped up cheaply. The whole thing is disgusting. :( Watch crime rise in Australia again.:barf:
 
The surrender is part of a national buyback scheme
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The term "buyback" nearly sends me into a keyboard-gnawing fit of apoplexy. Such blatantly Orwellian speech should set off warning bells, yet is blithely tossed about as perfectly normal. How can the government buy back something it never owned in the first place? I guess the term "compensated theft" would piss off voters, though.

The State Government has set aside $20.5 million over the next five years for the scheme. About $7 million has been allocated for buying back the firearms.
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As the State Government produces nothing more than any other jawless fish of a parasite, guess where all that "set aside" money came from? That's right! The government will take your gun, and pay you with your own money for it! This would be funny if it wasn't actually, you know, happening to real people in the real world.

A "government gun buyback" is the economic equivalent of a mugger relieving you of all the money in your wallet, then taking your watch at knifepoint, and giving you $20 back, telling you it was payment for the watch.

The gun amnesty ends on December 31, after which gun owners face tough fines and jail terms for possessing illegal weapons.
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Hey, Enrico Fermi, how about taking all those millions, and the government employees that will no doubt be tied up implementing this bone-headed scheme, and using them to see that actual criminals "face tough fines and jail terms" instead? Or would that make too much sense?
 
We refer to it as "Compensated Confiscation"

It is a pointless excercise in transferring tax dollars to shooters (licenced pistol shooters) whose firearms are used in fewer than 2% of shootings.
The Monash University shooting referred to was the FIRST incidence in the state of Victoria of a murder by a licenced shooter using a registered handgun since the Federation of Australia...in 1901!

There actually has been quite a brisk market for conversion TO short barrels as well. All those 'clunker' guns which shooters had accumulated with longer barrels must, if the barrel is less than the specified length of 100mm for revolvers and 120mm for pistols, be purchased by the government at the established price.:D

I made a nice profit on a clunker revolver and a few minutes with a hacksaw and file to dovetail in a front blade.
I imagine the states wish now that they had recorded those barrel lengths originally:D
But who would have thought that someday a psycopathic P.M. with rampant hoplophobia would come along and declare a ban on handgun barrel lengths?

Of course, now the problem is finding a new longer-barrel handgun to buy, as the government has also restricted the inventory which dealers can hold to a maximum of ten handguns at any time. This ostensibly to prevent gun shop thefts.:rolleyes:

Keep the hoplophobes in the U.S. out of office please, I'll be back one day.
 
HBK.....

It's too late for that here in Oz....the frog's done been boiled, so to speak:(

Every legally-owned handgun is registered and every citizen/subject who is licenced to possess one has their name and details recorded in police databases. Everything. Driving licence, residence, place of employment, vehicle registration....well, you get the picture.

To retain possession of a handgun requires membership of a recognised pistol club and 12 attendances per year (here in the N.T.) at organised matches. The club is legally responsible for the names and weapons held by the individual club members.

As a club secretary, I have to make sure that every member attends at least twelve shoots. We also have to maintain a list of each members' weapons, which duplicates the list on the police database. No twelve shoots, your licence and handguns are removed. The club is in the position of informing on its own members or facing closure, thus denying all members their licences.

In short....Australia has slipped too far down the slippery slope to resist.

None of these burdens on lawful handgun owners has or will have any positive effect on the misuse of handguns, but that is not the issue for the Howard government. Removal of all firearms from civillian hands is the objective. Make that 'law-abiding' civilian hands.

I guess the main point in my posting is merely to urge the utmost resistance to registration for those of you still in such a position.:)
 
HandGun Buyback

Given that it appears that the whole deal is done and dusted as far as changing or cancelling the confiscation procedure, you would think that the various State Police authorities that are handling the Buyback would have made sure that people that have had to surrender their otherwise legal Firearms would be able to obtain a replacement Firearm that does comply with the Dubious new Laws. The fact is, you are liable to be on the End of a 6 Week waiting period for the Mandatory "Permit To Acquire" to be issued, so you can replace the arms that you have already had to surrender.
The official excuse is that they are being overrun by the demand for Applications because of the New HandGun Laws, it may just be me but wouldn't you think that the Ministers in Charge of the various State Authorities would have had the Nous to realize that these Replacement Firearms would have to come through the System already jammed with applications trying to get in before the Law change, and this was liable to create a backlog, worsening a pretty poor situation that existed originally.
The whole thing has been badly done from the start and the Federal Government will have no one to blame if the whole thing goes belly up with people refusing to surrender anything until they can immediately obtain a replacement. :(
 
Don't you guys know what is happening?? This inanimate object called a gun possesses the unique ability to come to life and make its owners do 'strange':rolleyes: things.

It is better if we (the Gov't) take them and destroy them. It is okay if we, the Gov't have them for ourselves however as we can better control this object. We also need the criminals to have them so that we can justify big budgets, large police forces, large weapon procurement contracts, 'suspicious' legislation and last but not least, we
need 'something' to ride on when we are seeking election/re-election. What better winning ticket than a 'high, out of control,maddening crime' situation that we will fix!! :banghead:

You have any idea how the employment rate can be improved just by the murder rate going up- more coroners, pathologists, detectives, forensics, social workers, journalists, court reporters, photographers, prosecutors, lawyers, judges, carpenters, upholsterers, doctors, tv programmes, news teams, more trees out of the forests, cemetery caretakers and let us not forget, undertakers!!!

Ever notice how a murder is the first thing reported on the evening news..it is BIG BUSINESS!!
 
"...keyboard-gnawing fit of apoplexy." :) Geez I love ya Tam. It's insanity down under. Confiscation has come to pass. I would be wearing a bullet-resistant vest if I were one of those LEOs whose duties including attending the confiscations for enforcement (at the gun clubs no less :cuss: ).
 
Its never too late for the Sons of Liberty to open a branch office down under.

Do not surrender your arms... please!

The world is watching. The UN is watching. American politicians are watching.

Adios
 
I can see where they have taken almost all the guns (good grief, those rules about clubs, 12 shoots/year, finking on members - hey, is that the kind of system Howard Dean & Co. are advocating when they talk about "hunters and target shooters"?).

But what's the prevailing attitude about lawful self defense? Is it as bad as in Britain?
 
Sounds like it might almost be time for some Americans to come down there and take that arid joke of an "almost" country away, and give it to somebody that would appreciate it.

Let us know when you have finished enfeebling yourselves completely. Maybe some of us will have a long weekend some time and we can come on down and take the place. :rolleyes: ;)
 
The way my mind works is kind of weird, but I've always considered Australia to be one of America's best friends. Always thought it would be a cool place to visit or live for a while. Always figured the Aussies would have our back. It really makes me sad to see the people of Australia reduced to subjects. I hope y'all that are down under will never give up. Keep your guns, break the law through civil disobedience, whatever it takes. What's going on in Australia is beyond unfair. God help us to see that it never happens here.

I say that, but it IS happening here to some extent. We have 2nd ammendment bigots and gun grabbers proposing new stupid laws and bans in every congress. It would only take one election for all of us who treasure the 2nd ammendment and/or firearms to get screwed for good. We need to make sure that we keep our rights.
 
"Its never too late for the Sons of Liberty to open a branch office down under.

Do not surrender your arms... please!

The world is watching. The UN is watching. American politicians are watching."

--But then:

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KC,

ya got me.

I retract those awful words pleading for law-abiding aussies to "break the law" and cop-bash".

What was I thinking?

Try this instead.

BOHICA...

Sorry if I fomented anyone harboring hidden hostile tendancies.

Who was it saying something about "From my cold..."? Musta been a mis-quote.

Adios
 
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