Australia...they came for my guns!

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By way of example for those of you who listen to the U.S. liberals speaking of 'sensible' gun laws:

Since 1997 there has been in place a national policy of "Uniform Gun Laws" part of which involved the creation of a database on the national CrimTrac system. Convicted criminals, wanted suspects and, you guessed it, gunowners.

Each Australian state runs its own weapons registry through the respective state police-there are no 'local' departments as in the U.S. states.

I moved from Queensland to Northern Territory in mid-2002 and notified the Queensland police of my leaving Queensland, as required by law. The letter included my postal address and licence numbers as well as firearms held. I joined the local club and applied for and received the N.T. licence for the same categories as I'd held in Qld. and the Police advised me to retain the Qld. licences (one for long arms, one for handguns) as they were not N.T. property.

This morning at 7:00 A.M. there were two nervous young N.T. constables at my door.

Young Constable #1: "Do you have firearms at this address?"

Me: "Yes"

Young Constable #2: We are ordering you to surrender your firearms and Queensland licences immediately."

Me: "Do you guys want to come in, it's raining out there? I have a current N.T. licence and approved storage...would you care to inspect the storage facilities as provided under the arms act 1997?"

Constable #1: "Err,...yes"

Constable #2 to #1: "We should have checked for the Territory licence?"

Constable #1: "Yes, that would have been better."

Some Brisbane bureaucrat pressed the panic button when the club non-participation notification from the Queensland club came in and the locals didn't even run my name to see if I had a licence in the N.T.; they just saddled-up and came a-confiscatin'.:what:

It's sorted out now, but I don't feel 'safer'...'safer'...'safer':barf:

Keep your guard up over there :)
 
fallingblock,
You sure you don't want to come back to Indiana? :D
Keep up the good fight. Are there any hopes of voting out the current regime? Good luck.
 
Good god, man..... ? What's this world coming to?

I kinda do feel a bit of sympathy for the poor bastards that have to enforce such idiocy. (Regarding the statement that they were 'nervous,' ) because it's only a matter of time before someone just says :cuss: it and hoses down anyone trying to confiscate their weapons.

Of course, I certainly have NO sympathy for those that pass such idiotic laws, be they Australian, American, or any nationality.

I really wish these lawmakers would FIX their friggin' Cranial/Rectal inversion problem...
 
I am over the 'shocked' phase....

and into the 'indignant' phase:fire:

The very least these petty bureaucrats could do would be to adhere to a basic proceedure of 'failsafe' checks:scrutiny:

Thanks for the invite back to Indiana, DadOfThree; I'm sure I'll be revisiting the old homeland in the not-too-distant future. Y'all could melt some of that snow in the meantime...:D

Phyphor: I felt sorry for these young cops today as well. They are at a chronically understaffed posting out in the middle of Australia's outback, with all sorts of rampant social problems to deal with, and the Feds database sends them on a wild gun-chase:mad: They certainly hadn't had the training required to be doing "unlawfully armed" (that's what the database thought of me) confrontations. Good grief. At least have them check their own state database before charging in:rolleyes:

'Uniform National Gun Laws' :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
hipower22....

I am sending a letter of complaint to both the Queensland Police Service and the N.T. Police.:banghead:

These kind of stupid mistakes criminalise people for no reason; what if I'd been stopped for a burnt-out tail lamp... with my name on the CrimTrac as "unlawfully armed"?:what:

"G'day officer, ma-a-a-te that's a nice glock 22 you have there...could you point is somewhere else, please?:fire:
 
fallingblock,

Sad, scary and true.

Perhaps you could also offer your letter to various news organizations both in Australia and here as it points out the main fallacy of registration that everyone in the firearm community knows to be true. Maybe the WSJ, Chicago Trib, NY Times, Wash Post, LA... you get the drift.

What happened to you there will happen here nationwide if the pol's have their way (don't they always?). Its only a matter of time.

If not the various newspapers, then other internet organizations might hear your voice and take up the hue and cry (or is it cry and hue?).

Glad you had your paperwork in order. But what if (I love the what if's) they didn't care? What if their orders were simply to confiscate? I believe that in Tampa this past week the SWAT team was called in because of a 200 gun collection (all legal by the by). Add in the situation last year down in Texas where the SWAT team over-reacted, someone fired his gun, next thing ya know bullets were flying everywhere, one SWAT member dead, homeowner initially charged with murdering said officer...

I know, I know. A lot of what if's and an overactive imagination on my part. Its a good thing that your young Cops could (and did) think, you had the paperwork in hand and I guess All's well that ends well.

Adios
 
Baba Louie....

You are right about the 'what ifs':eek:

Not that I normally dry fire at 7:00 A.m., but what if these young guys saw a rifle through a window?:scrutiny:

The real eye-opener is the listing of all legal gun-owners on the same data-base as convicted felons, escapees and wanteds:fire:

What's the cop going to associate us with? I've never had so much as a traffic ticket in Australia, but, for a week or so, through no fault of my own, and without my knowledge, I was listed as "unlawfuly armed" in a nation that has a rampant fit of hoplophobia going:what:

And there is no evidence to demonstrate any positive effect of all the 'tougher' gun laws in Australia...:barf:
 
fallingblock

Mate that scares the bejayzus out of me. I've been watching this tide of anti-gun hysteria, even paranoia, rising throughout Australia, and this sort of midless reaction just confirms it.

It has now become a simple Orwellian equation:
"guns = bad"
therefore
"gunowner = bad guy"

I fear for myself, for my fellow gunowners and for my country.

The best thing you can do is bitch -- long, loudly and to anyone who will hear -- and even if they don't want to hear. :cuss:

Bruce
 
You're right there, Bruce....

The letter to Qld. Weapons Registry is in the post tomorrow-
I'll go in and see the local Arms Officer (who isn't a bad bloke but was on leave when this happened) when he returns on Monday.

It's a bloody mess! Can't really blame the twenty-something constables for poor training-I wouldn't want to cold approach some house with a listed "unlawfully armed" inside:eek:

Us being on a database with convicts, wanteds and escapees
was a real stroke of genius from the pinheads in Canberra:barf:

Orwellian to the extreme, and CGCA smirks to themselves:banghead:

I am making noise about this...never so much as a traffic ticket in Australia and assumed to be a criminal because of some addled halfwits' concept of a 'safer' Australia:fire:
 
Don't worry too much about it. The way the winds are blowing here, we'll all soon be criminals.

As the old saying goes, "When guns are outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Guns". I guess I'll be one of those criminals as I'm already on the local police depts database. You have to register ALL concealable weapons here in Las Vegas and I've already seen my "collection" on the SCOPE, which probably means that any police in the US can access that information.

sigh

Sex offenders and gun owners, ner-do-wells and duck hunters, parolees and IDPA sportsmen...

All one and the same in the eyes of the law.

Adios
 
because it's only a matter of time before someone just says :cuss: it and hoses down anyone trying to confiscate their weapons.
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It's already happened. Isn't that the way the real "crocodile dundee" left us, him and 2 cops?
 
Us being on a database with convicts, wanteds and escapees
was a real stroke of genius from the pinheads in Canberra
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They were just trying to save time. It isn't a matter of "if" they come to take them permanently. It's "when". When that day comes, they'll simply put a bullet in your head, no questions asked.
 
Too right, muddyboots....

it's been raining off and on for four days here...the "monsoon" sagging south from Darwin, I suppose:)

jmbg29: When it gets to that stage...they'd better send more than two!:fire:

Tallpine: Any sort of database with my name on it gives me a bit of worry; there are ways to limit your exposure, but you'd have to live like a Tibetan monk to do it....come to think of it, even they are probably on PRC lists now:(

Derek Zeanah: It's a pity that Paul Hogan's film didn't follow the real life of the character more closely...but then he was crusty enough that the film would have probably been 'banned' by the P.C.:rolleyes:

Babba Louie: What really chaps me is that it was not that long ago that gun-owners were considered to be 'good guys', or at least neutral. All this vilification gets to be a bit wearing:banghead:
 
let's hope it all happens....

when we're old and gray. Sitting in the nursing home and asking the nurse: "what was that noise?"

Nurse: "The authorities are protecting us from the evil gun-owners."

"What was that noise?":D
 
This started out as a documentary on gun violence in America, but the largest mass murder in our history was just committed -- without the use of a single gun! Not a single bullet fired! No bomb was set off, no missile was fired, no weapon (i.e., a device that was solely and specifically manufactured to kill humans) was used. A boxcutter! -- I can't stop thinking about this. A thousand gun control laws would not have prevented this massacre. What am I doing?"
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It's a pity the idiots who frame our gun laws could not step back and ask themselves the same thing.

I read a quote some time ago, attributed to 'Unknown', which describes some legislators perfectly, in particular the Australian Prime Minister:

"Firmness in decision is often a form of stupidity. It indicates an inability to think the same thing out twice."
 
fallingblock

Here you likely would have been shot for answering the door as they would have considered you a threat when they battered down the door and saw you standing there with the TV remote in your hand.

Justifiable homicide and all that, you know, Old Bean, tut, tut.
 
jimpeel

Here you likely would have been shot for answering the door as they would have considered you a threat when they battered down the door and saw you standing there with the TV remote in your hand.
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He doesn't own a TV. The closest he comes to watching it is the DVD rom on the 'puter - and the next movie he watches will likely be the first. Still, that makes him so far out of the ordinary, he's gotta be a threat.

It's all so stupid. Fallingblock is the most mild-mannered person I know.
 
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