Auto powder dispenser accuracy?

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I have been measuring my 6.5X55 powder loads with a Lyman digital scale for accuracy and consistency. However, time is valuable and I want to consider an auto powder dispenser.

What models can anyone recommend as a preference?

Also, how many rounds do you load before you recalibrate or check for accuracy?

If it matters, I have been using Reloader 22 powder, which is the cylindrical cut, not the flake....

Thanks for any help....
 
Lee powder dispenser works great with cylindrical powder and drops within +-0.03grains.
Ive been using that with vihtavuori powders (also cylindrical) because it runs it smoothly. I got Lyman powder dispenser too but I dont like it that much with vv powders.
 
I use the Lee perfect measure for the exact same purpose- RL-22 for 6.5 swede. Once you get the measure tweaked to the right setting, it doesn't wander- I've loaded a series of 100 rounds at a time- batchwise, checked the thrown weights frequently and haven't had to reset the measure. You still need to run it in a consistant manner- if you are running it on a turret press, you need to run the press through all stages when setting the measure, If you are single loading, set the measure with tapping the drum with your finger 2-3 times for each charge. Its a very consistant measure with extruded powders.
 
I have the Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure for my LCT. I also have the Adjustable Charge Bar to go with it. I can get pretty much any load I want with these.
 
Glockdaddy wants to know about dispensers like the RCBS chargemaster or the lyman 1200. Since I don't have either one, I can't answer that. But I do have the older pact model. For that machine, I can say it is very accurate. It dispenses exactly what you want down to the exact tenth of a grain. it's just slower than the newer ones.
 
What kind of scale do you guys have that measures to the hundreths of a grain? All the scales I have seen only go to tenths, so how do I know if I am to .03 of a grain? I can go to hundredths on grams, but only tenths on grains. I am using a Cabela's branded digital scale.
 
I have the RCBS Charge master Combo and I only use it for Extruded rifle powders. I have to say, I am very glad I bought it. It's very accurate and I have only had to use the "trinkle" button only a couple times on aprox 5K plus of rounds and all were my fault. I bumped the machine.

I have a buddy who has the Lyman and I think that is cool too. Both machines work great.

Cheers...
 
I've had a Lyman 1200 since they were relatively new. I love it. The price was right and it's accurate. The only complaints I have about it are the fact that it doesn't drain as well/easy as the RCBS 1500 (RCBS saw the flaws in the Lyman and fixed them) and it doesn't dispense as fast. HOWEVER! For $20 Lyman now offers an upgrade kit that fixes both of those issues. I pleased with Lyman for offering an upgrade kit for their older versions rather than just forcing everyone to buy a whole new machine.
 
I have the RCBS Charge master Combo and I only use it for Extruded rifle powders. I have to say, I am very glad I bought it.

Me too!! It's a brilliant piece of equipment to have. I still don't know why they offer it in 220V and 110V though. Anyway, it's worth every penny but I'd recommend plugging it into a UPS if you have one. Stable input voltage is important for this model.

RCBS ChargeMaster Combo

Lee powder dispenser works great with cylindrical powder and drops within +-0.03grains.

:what: Those are some accurate loads you're making there!!


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I use the RCBS that came with me Pro 2000. The micormeter adjustment is very consistent and when I return it to the same setting it throws exactly the weight it should. I have measured every throw of 5-10 throws. Every 4th, Every 10th, Every 50 or so and at the beginning and end of a session. It is the same measurement each time. With powders that meter poorly I have seen some very minor variability 0.1 maybe.
 
snuffy said:
Glockdaddy wants to know about dispensers like the RCBS chargemaster or the lyman 1200.

Where did he say that? The Lee devices that were described prior to your post qualify as "auto powder dispensers" unless you have an ingrained prejudice against inexpensive solutions.
 
Hmmmm... I use a Lee perfect powder measure and a Lee universal charging die in a loadmaster for 30-06 and have VERY good automated results from the progressive. I mostly run them through one at a time because I do not do a lot of them, but when I did do a run off 100, I used all 5 stations in full progressive mode, checking every 5th for powder consistency. The PPM was throwing 57.0 - 57.1 (H4350) every time. That is a good solution for a great economical price. Total investment was $36.00 for both items, took 15 minutes to set it up. It's all on a die head now, so changout from/to is less that 2 minutes.
 
Where did he say that? The Lee devices that were described prior to your post qualify as "auto powder dispensers" unless you have an ingrained prejudice against inexpensive solutions.

Right or wrong, I also interpreted his question to mean automated dispensers like the RCBS Chargemaster. The original poster also referred to "calibrating" the dispenser, which I interpret to be different than setting a powder thrower like a Uniflow.

If he is referring to the automated dispensers, there is a very thorough writeup over on the 6mmbr site. Based on that review I purchased a Chargemaster several years ago, and have been happy with it for some chores, but not all.

Where the Chargemaster works well for me is when loading up very small batches of incremental charge weights. In other words, 5 rounds with 49.0 grains, 5 rounds with 50.0 grains, etc. Much faster than setting a thrower like a Uniflow. For larger batches, I can throw/weigh/trickle just about as fast. With handgun cartridges, a thrower is more than accurate enough, and much faster, so I don't use the Chargemaster for those.

As far as accuracy in charge weights, the Chargemaster is pretty good, but can have a little trouble with extruded powders like IMR 4895. As the dispenser tube turns, a little "wave" of kernels builds up in the tube and keeps individual kernels from falling into the pan, until suddenly a bunch fall at the same time, and you end up 0.1 or 0.2 grains over. There are some ideas out there to fix this, including putting a piece of soda straw over the end of the tube, but I haven't tried it yet.

The newer Chargemasters have a nice feature that I wish I had on mine - after you set the pan back on the scale and the scale has settled on zero, it automatically dispenses another charge. With mine, you have to wait for the scale to zero, then push a button. The scale takes only a second or two to zero, but it is still annoying.

Hope this helps.
 
I have been using a ChargeMaster 1500 for a few years for precision rifle reloading, using powders like Varget, H4831SC, Retumbo, etc. My goal is to have all rounds within 0.1gr of each other (ie, the resolution of the scale).

Compared to throwing a charge under the destination charge and then trickling in on a beam or digital scale, the ChargeMaster is both faster and less work.

However, the dispensed mass is not always "right on." I always wait for it to beep, display the round count, and then go back to displaying the mass. Maybe 25-50% of the time depending on the powder and amount in the hopper, I have to make a small adjustment "by hand" (by removing a couple kernels of powder). This isn't a big deal.
 
I took it the same way kasTX did. A Uniflo or Perfection or Harrel is a "measure". A "dispenser" is one of the powered devices hooked up to a scale.

I have the PACT. It delivers most loads right at the set weight or a tenth over. I don't think I am good enough to detect that tolerance. I do occasionally have to adjust but not very often.

I think the RCBS is nicer but it is more expensive, especially considering I had used a PACT scale for several years before adding the dispenser when I saw it on sale.
 
Thank you all....

As usual.....GREAT INFO!!:p
Actually, I was initially asking about the units that throw a pre-set amount....like the Lyman #55. I see that the Lee and RCBS are equally impressive and accurate. Across the board you have all convinced me that the repeatability of these units is great and I should be comfortable that I won't need to check every 5 throws and recalibrate....:what:

Presently I am using a single stage press and don't anticipate going to a progressive....so my powder measure will a free standing unit. However...the auto dispensers that have been mentioned are interesting as well.

My local dealer has recommended the Lyman....but the Lee seems to be a fine unit for a good price...and RCBS is, well.....always a safe bet. So I will go off to Sportmans Warehouse where they have all of them and kick the tires....

Thanks again gents......
 
FWIW, a LOT of benchrest shooters are going to the RCBS Chargemonster... Considering it is large, relatively field-unfriendly-fragile, and uses electricity, that's a major tell as to what they think the value is... Reason being is that folks were noticing they got the same results as weather changed by weighing, vs. dumping by volume, which would have skewed results with the weather change.
 
OK, it looks like Glockdaddy was referring to powder throwers after all.

I currently have two: the RCBS Uniflow and the Hornady Lock-n-Load. They are nearly identical in most respects, but the Hornady has a nice added feature. By pushing a botton on the side of the rotor, you can pull out the entire metering insert for cleaning, or to swap it for a powder dump insert. The powder dump allows you to quickly empty the reservoir of powder without removing the entire unit from whatever it is mounted to.

On the down side, the Hornady is prone to rusting, even when kept in an air conditioned space. Mine has not rusted in any place that would affect function, only on the outside. The RCBS has its steel parts anodized or similarly coated and I have not seen any rust on it.
 
I have a couple of RCBS Uniflows and I think they are great. I have been looking at the Lee PPM for my Motor home bench. Since the Lee is only $20.00 bucks or so and I have heard nothing but good about them, I am leaning towards that.
 
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