Baby Browning clone question

[TennJed]

Colt Vest pocket clone

I saw a baby Browning clone the other day and I am trying to find out more on it. The problem is it looks like I can't remember the name correctly. I thought it was a Livita or luvita or maybe luvia but google doesn't come up with anything.

Does that name ring a bell with anyone?

 

[wkumatt]

Llama or Lorcin?

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[1KPerDay]

Actual Baby clones are made by Bauer and PSA.

 

[Shadow 7D]

you need the correct spelling, it's similar, not a clone, and there's info out there if you can find the right spelling. I know what you are talking about, german or belgium made, forget.

 

[TennJed]

Llama or Lorcin?

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Unless the gunshop owner's handwriting is really bad. I am familiar with llama and lorcin. I will call them tomorrow, but they are closed today.

 

[TennJed]

Actual Baby clones are made by Bauer and PSA.

Oh thought there were several foreign companies that made them.

 

[Shadow 7D]

NO!!!!
NOT Llama, nor Locrin
it was made in the early 20's to 30's continental europe, and they have it correct, call the shop and get the name, and country of origin, and you'll find out plenty.

 

[wkumatt]

Just throwing out a couple of names of makers with spelling in the ballpark.

Let us know when you figure it out. I'm curious now.

 

[JohnBT]

Bernardelli V.B. .25?

www.ebay.com/itm/1953-BERNARDELLI-AD-V-B-25-32-380-AUTOMATIC-PISTOL-/150880929493

 

[JohnBT]

Lignose .25?

http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Lignose3/lignose3.html

www.amazon.com/Automatic-Caliber-Lignose-Einhand-Handgun/dp/B005P3D3OM

 

[1KPerDay]

The Lignose model 2 looks similar to the FN/Browning 1905/1906 (and Colt 1908). None appear similar to the Browning Baby, however.

to the OP, there are 2 models of Browning .25... the "Baby Browning" is not the same as the FN "Vest Pocket" 1905/1906.

In case you were wondering. Many people make that mistake.

 

[TennJed]

Ok went into the shop and it is a Libia 25acp for $89.00.

I know nothing about these guns but I have a thing for tiny guns. Is this a better quality pistol than the ones like Lorcin

It seems to be more of a colt vest pocket clone than a baby browning

 

[rcmodel]

Spanish copy of Browning Model 1905.

Libia Pabrique D'armes De Guerre's quality was so-so.

Certainly way better then a Lorcin, but certainly not a FN Browning either.

I'd say $89.00 is a good price if you can get them to guarentee it works.

If it doesn't, you will probably not find any parts for it.

rc

 

[JohnBT]

Never heard of it. I searched the letter L so often on Google they were trying to sell me a vowel.

From GunBroker forum: p://forums.gunbroker.com/post.asp?method=TopicQuote&TOPIC_ID=160311&FORUM_ID=2

LIBIA: Trade name used by Beistegui Hermanos, c. 1914/1920 Made what was and is commonly called The RUBY...! There were probably 50 or more makers of what was called the Ruby......The Beistegui Hermanos Company is/was one of these Contractors...What You discribe is a Copy of the Model 1914 that was being made by Gabilondo for the French, Italians and Romanians. Because the Gabilondo Company could'nt fulfil thier obligation for the guns ordered by the French, had to sub-contract with other small Gun Makers to be able to meet the obligations.....Beistegui Hermanos was one of these Sub-Contractors...Beistegui Hermanos also Made Copies of the Mauser Model C-96 Pistol....called the Model 900...Machine Pistola.....
Your RUBY is more than likely considered a Curio and Relic...Not Worth Much to a Collector unless its absolutely Mint.....$75.00 for a shooter........

Captain Kirk, Tech Staff

 

[Shadow 7D]

Baby ruby, good buy, very good buy
much discounted, made from 'spanish steel' (only good enough for knives, not for guns )

they were made as scaled down versions of the Ruby, which is a simplification of a Brownings design, they work well (as long as you have a good mag and the strings are good)

Check out Gunboards, they have a spanish pistol forum
they can sell for less than 100, or for more that the mass produced Browning versions.

 

[TennJed]

Thanks guys. He said he would give it to me for $75 OTD. I have a thing for small autos and big revolvers.

It is something to think about tinight

 

[Shadow 7D]

Buy it, I'll give you 100+shipping
if it's in decent shape it's undervalued.

 

[TennJed]

Buy it, I'll give you 100+shipping
if it's in decent shape it's undervalued.

Thanks for the offer, but if I get it I would not sell it (unless it was a large profit and local)

He has an in house smith and says it shoots fine. It is decent shape cosmetically. A good bit of blue loss on slide and some pitting on the right side.

 

[Shadow 7D]

so, in expected shape for a gun that has been carried lots and shot little
you'll like it, and um, they are addictive, next thing you know, you have a whole drawer of them...

 

[TennJed]

Well I decided for $75 what could it hurt. I got it and brought it home last night and cleaned it up some. I already had a bottle of Kleen-Bore Black Magic cold blue so I did a home reblue job on it. Here are the before and after pics. It is not as pretty as a Colt Royal Blue but I think it came out nice. I reload everything I shoot (except .22lr of course) so I stopped by today and picked up a box of Blazer 25 ammo. I was considering reloading for this also (maybe pick up another cheap 25 gun to justify reloading it) but my goodness is this a small bullet. I am not sure I will reload for it. If anyone does give me the rundown on it. Either way it should be fun to shoot this one and see how it works

 

[Shadow 7D]

For cheap shooting you can use #3 Buckshot, it's 23.5 grains but should give you a decent (cheap and easy) load for plinking.

 

[TennJed]

Shawdow that is pretty cool. It is the same dia.?

To get an idea how small this guns is I took some pics of it with my Taurus TCP 738 and Beretta Bobcat.

 

[HisSoldier]

I made a special shellholder so I could load .25 ACP in my progressive, I also had to modify the powder spigot so it would fit into the small opening. The reloading world really doesn't think customers who load .25 ACP are worthy of serving, with progressive loaders anyway, and ay other way is just too slow for some of us.
All the guys who say loading the little .380 hulls is too tedious should try the .25 ACP.

I got loads up to 1200 FPS with 35 gn HP's and B'eye.

 

[Shadow 7D]

#3 buck = .25 cal
I don't know what the load is, I actually bought 7# of buck cause I have a use for .32 ball, first metallic I've loaded is 7.5 swiss, 4grs Red Dot, just need it to get to 25 yard with some accuracy, and a plus is that it won't wipe out my shoulder (nerve entrapment = numb hand and dexterity loss with recoil) I can load mosins, Tok, .32, 7,62x39 all cheaply with powder puff loads. With the .32's it'll be interesting to see what I have to work up to so that they will cycle reliably.

 

[1KPerDay]

Handsome little piece. Nice job on the blue as well.