TimSr
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So somebody who has trained to be a clerk at a gun store should know better than you how to spell the city in which YOU live?
Why did you title this thread "background check mess up" ?
background check mess up?
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So somebody who has trained to be a clerk at a gun store should know better than you how to spell the city in which YOU live?
Why did you title this thread "background check mess up" ?
and they own Field and Stream....which sells ARs.
Kind of a knee jerk "let's appear to be sensitive" reaction like Cerberus swearing they were going to divest themselves of Freedom Group. 4 years later and Cerberus still owns Freedom Group and has rejected at least 1 offer for purchase.
Black Knight
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We all make mistakes and a 30 minute drive isn't that much. That is about 10 minutes more than my trip to work so no big deal. Who knows the shop owner or manager may just make it worth your gas by giving you a box of ammo in appreciation for helping in this situation.
There is no legal liability for you. Sloppy writing or misspelling a word is not a material fact that you could be accused of lying about. This is just Dicks internal process run amok. Some Dicks employee is scared that he will be fired because they would be on the hook for any paperwork errors. I have seen similar posts where they called someone months later and demanded that they come back to refill out a form for some similar reason.
It's my fault a little bit but what I'm Pissed about is they told me it's an atf violation and after calling atf they said it's not happens daily. I spelled 1 letter off had I been able to review it I would have caught it. They had 2 "trained" people check it and didn't catch it but call me a week later throwing atf violation around and demand I come up there. I fixed it so it's done next time I look over everything.
Why? I just don't get this insistence. No legal reason to do so, it costs extra money, and is an inconvenience. So once again why would you be concerned about the box store in another town being butt hurt. If it was my go to FFL which is local and I like the guy sure thing I would help Chris out... but at the same time chris would do his due diligence and fix the paperwork properly and then give me a hard time about it when I came back in a week or two later.
Only reason I did it is the guy that works there has always taken care of me when I used to work out that way. I would swing by after work grab some gear, b.s etc. been dealing with him since around 2007-2008. I don't get there much anymore cause I don't work 45min away. Surprised he's still there and after I thought about it I didn't want him to get in trouble or his co worker. If anyone should be held accountable it should be the manager who checked and signed it.
Theohazard
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I've worked at gun stores for about 4 years now, and I'd estimate that well over half of all customers make some sort of mistake on the 4473. The vast majority of those are corrected on the spot when pointed out by the salesperson, but not always. With the huge number of mistakes made by customers and the amount of paperwork most shops have, it's not surprising that a mistake goes unnoticed once in a while.
And the especially annoying kind of mistakes are ones like the customer misspelling their city of birth and I get dinged for it by the person who checks our paperwork. How the heck am I supposed to know that when the person wrote "Osbourne, Kansas" they were spelling it wrong? I've started Googling cities I don't recognize just to make sure they're spelled correctly on the 4473.
No, this was your mistake. Sure, it would've been nice if they had noticed it when you were in the store and I can understand your frustration at having to drive back there, but ultimately it's your responsibility to spell the name of your own hometown correctly.
And the especially annoying kind of mistakes are ones like the customer misspelling their city of birth and I get dinged for it by the person who checks our paperwork. How the heck am I supposed to know that when the person wrote "Osbourne, Kansas" they were spelling it wrong? I've started Googling cities I don't recognize just to make sure they're spelled correctly on the 4473.
No, this was your mistake. Sure, it would've been nice if they had noticed it when you were in the store and I can understand your frustration at having to drive back there, but ultimately it's your responsibility to spell the name of your own hometown correctly.
with doing it the first time on a computer screen and the K and L being next to each other yes I messed up but to call me and tell me I have an ATF violation and that ATF will flip out about it and tell me I have to come up and fix it was B.S. because I called ATF and the agent-not a secretary told me it happens all the time and when they get the stuff they fix it she said its not an issue at all its store management being picky.
When I told her he called it an ATF violation she laughed. that is what ticked me off the most.
it also their job and what they are paid, trained and entrusted to do is to find, help fix or not allow mistakes in the first place. when the govt, store management trust you to not only help customers complete the paperwork but trains and entrusts the store manager who checked the paperwork after the counter guy than something's wrong.
can you imagine if the news or someone found out that they let me walk out of the store with a firearm and then call me a week later and say hey its wrong.
what if I gave a false SSN and they let me walk out? again I'm an honest person and it was an honest mistake and I went back spending $20 in gas and over 1.5hours of my time to fix it, and 55 miles on my truck.
what if a dishonest person gave them the wrong stuff and they didn't catch it until a week later like they caught mine. there is no excuse! not for me, not for them. when dealing with stuff like this and having 3 people including myself look it over how did it slip away for 7 days!
anyone who has half a brain can tell Westlake between westkake.
if you look at it kind of blends together and looks like its supposed to.
When I told her he called it an ATF violation she laughed. that is what ticked me off the most.
it also their job and what they are paid, trained and entrusted to do is to find, help fix or not allow mistakes in the first place. when the govt, store management trust you to not only help customers complete the paperwork but trains and entrusts the store manager who checked the paperwork after the counter guy than something's wrong.
can you imagine if the news or someone found out that they let me walk out of the store with a firearm and then call me a week later and say hey its wrong.
what if I gave a false SSN and they let me walk out? again I'm an honest person and it was an honest mistake and I went back spending $20 in gas and over 1.5hours of my time to fix it, and 55 miles on my truck.
what if a dishonest person gave them the wrong stuff and they didn't catch it until a week later like they caught mine. there is no excuse! not for me, not for them. when dealing with stuff like this and having 3 people including myself look it over how did it slip away for 7 days!
anyone who has half a brain can tell Westlake between westkake.
if you look at it kind of blends together and looks like its supposed to.
Theohazard
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So you're saying you've never made a mistake at your job?ohihunter2014 said:
How would they ever know you gave them a false SSN? So what you're saying is that the store would be responsible for a customer lying on the form even if they had no knowledge of the lie and no way to determine if it was a lie? You seem to have a problem with assigning and accepting responsibility.ohihunter2014 said:
Well, you made a mistake and you paid for it. Sounds like you'll be more careful next time you buy a gun.ohihunter2014 said:
People make mistakes. I'd say the only inexcusable thing is spelling your own hometown wrong and then trying to blame someone else for it. Seems pretty childish to me.ohihunter2014 said:
And yet you still wrote "Westkake"...ohihunter2014 said:
the thing is I didn't write it I typed it on a little miniature keyboard so as I said I took responsibility for mistyping it but I shouldn't have been lied to about ATF and once again when dealing with firearms they should be a little more on the ball than a week later.
Snyper
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The FBI should catch that mistake.
I also know some ATF inspectors can be anal about even the tiniest of mistakes on a 4473, so even if some woman on the phone said "don't worry", that does nothing to protect the dealer who can be blamed.
Theohazard
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Agreed, but my point was the store can't.Snyper said:
It's very possible that you weren't lied to at all. Like Snyper pointed out, ATF inspectors can be inconsistent on how they inspect paperwork. And how do you know that the random ATF person you spoke to on the phone was in Industry Ops? It's very possible they didn't know very much about making corrections to the 4473.ohihunter2014 said:
Acera
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Please tell us you don't put your Social Security Number on the 4473.
Since you don't have to put it on there, why would you consider using a fake one?
Theohazard
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Sometimes putting your SSN on the 4473 makes the difference between getting to take the gun home right away and waiting a few days. Maybe you don't put your SSN on the 4473 and you still get a Proceed each time, but someone with a name like John Smith might often get a Delay unless he puts down his SSN.Acera said:
I got a secretary first and she said let me get an agent than they said they would give me their boss. Pretty sure I was told right and every paper I've done requires a SSN must be a
Store thing.
Theohazard
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You missed my point. My point was that the ATF isn't consistent. Heck, sometimes the same person isn't consistent. I've worked at two different FFLs and I've been through three ATF audits. And each time there was more than one thing involving paperwork that was either different from what we were told before or that contradicted something we were told before. Sometimes that's due to the ATF changing their minds on things, sometimes it's due to different interpretations, and sometimes it's due to incompetence. So just because you were told one thing by one person doesn't mean the FFL wasn't told something entirely different during their last inspection.ohihunter2014 said:
No, it hasn't. The SSN is completely optional on the 4473, it says so right there next to the spot where you can put it if you want to.ohihunter2014 said:
I've purchased several in the last couple years from dicks and one other store and each store said I had to fill it out. That's why I do it. Dicks asked me 50 questions about if I'm related to people, do I know such n such. I can imagine the headache if I didn't put a SSN.
Theohazard
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Again, you did not need to put your SSN on the 4473. It's optional. All you have to do is read the form and it tells you that.ohihunter2014 said:
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