Odd luck in a background check?

[Robbins290]

Purchasing 2 handguns at the same time (actually within a 7 day window) sends up a lot of red flags and may well result in a visit from one of the alphabet agencies. If not to you to the gunshop. Doing it with 2 or more long guns or a long gun and handgun at the same time is usually less of a problem. I've purchased 2 at the same time before, but on the advice of the gun shop owner waited a week before picking up one of them.

I have bought a pair of the same handgun a couple of times (4 times total i think), And even bought (4) 22 pistols that were the same in one NICS check. I have never had a issue. I might be on a watch list or something. But never been contacted by the ATF. It also might help i live in Maine.

 

[drk1]

Had two cases of "odd luck" shortly after background checks started back in the 1990s. One guy with a very, very unusual name was a regular customer. He would purchase a firearm, usually a pistol, at least once a month. He continued to make this monthly purchase even after the background checks began, but then suddenly one month he was denied. Not only was he denied, the folks at the state office that conducted the background check reacted like this guy was a major criminal and wanted to know everything about him. After they interviewed him, the explanation was simple. Even though he had an extremely unusual name, there was another person in the state with the same unusual name and unfortunately, when our customer had renewed his driver's license, the idiots at the DMV looked at our customer's name and them immediately paired it up with this other guys information. So when we submitted the background check, the information for this other guy, who was a career criminal and big time felon, came up as our customer. He finally got it straightened out, but it took a while.

The second case, of "odd luck" involved a woman who wanted to purchase a handgun. She was new to all of this, so we explained the details of the background check and everything else. Then we submitted the background check and waited. I think at this early stage of the background checks, the wait was five days, but in any case the background check came back denied and once again the folks at the state agency in charge suddenly became real interested, real fast. According to them, she was dead! After they interviewed her and took all the information, including social secutiry number which was voluntary, they explained that someone had been using her social security number for over 20 years and had recently died! This foreign invader (I refuse to use the term "illegal immigrant") had stollen her social security number and had been using it. Her estate even applied for and received the social security death benefit! The state and fed. people got it all straightened out in a couple of weeks and she picked up her purchase.

 

[herrwalther]

My wait times can be all over the place when I get something. 9/10 times I get delayed. Typically a calendar week depending on how business days fall. More than likely it is related to a felony arrest I had a few years back, charges were dropped so no conviction. When I do get to walk out the store with what I bought, it is truly a surprise to me. Something about gift horses and mouths comes to mind.

 

[MrBitey]

Today I went to pick up a 22 rifle that I ordered a few weeks ago, and I have a one week delay. The sales guy said there were seeing a lot of delays recently.

 

[Mars5l]

Today I went to pick up a 22 rifle that I ordered a few weeks ago, and I have a one week delay. The sales guy said there were seeing a lot of delays recently.

I picked up a new Henry the Saturday of last weekend, I was given instant approval and from what I gather some other ppl had much longer waits

 

[daniel craig]

Didn't say they wrote it, but to be more precise - their opinions on the correct way for me to write it varies . I haven't ever gotten a straight answer on the proper way for me to fill out the middle name spot, so perhaps you know and can tell me. Sometimes just the single letter is fine with them , sometimes they want I.o. (initial only) after sometimes they want m.i.o (middle initial only). That's what I was trying to convey , I don't think anyone's going to get in trouble for a 4473 that could possibly be incorrectly filled out in one box, not fraudulently filled out . no, no one fills out my forms. Yes, in this situation I ask them how they'd like it noted that information has not been excluded , the whole name is just a letter. Pointless confusion.

Each 4473 has instructions on the back. Pick a way of doing it and stick to it (provides you use the same dealer every time) the dealer I worked for actually called the People running the checks as well as the atf and asked what they wanted. The ATF said if they ran an audit they’d want to see I.O.

With that said getting delayed is not a big deal at all, it’s nothing to be concerned about in the least. We used ton have people get delayed simply because NICS was backed up with checks. It happens.

 

[old lady new shooter]

My brother is older than me and a retired veteran with 30 years of service. He has dozens of guns and has been through background checks dozens of times. He also has a concealed carry license in Missouri. A few years ago he won a door prize drawing at a Friends of the NRA banquet. As always he went through the background check to accept his prize and for the first time was delayed 3 days. That was maybe 10 years ago. Since then he has been delayed 3 days every time he purchases a gun. What to make of it, who knows, but is aggravating to say the least and interferes with buying a firearm if he is traveling. Most retailers are willing to ship in that scenario, but charge for the shipping. Scary.

Waitaminnit, how does he buy a firearm FTF while traveling? I was under the impression if the buyer is not a resident of the state where the purchase is being made, it has to be shipped to a FFL in his/her state of residence.
???

 

[old lady new shooter]

The second case, of "odd luck" involved a woman who wanted to purchase a handgun. She was new to all of this, so we explained the details of the background check and everything else. Then we submitted the background check and waited. I think at this early stage of the background checks, the wait was five days, but in any case the background check came back denied and once again the folks at the state agency in charge suddenly became real interested, real fast. According to them, she was dead! After they interviewed her and took all the information, including social secutiry number which was voluntary, they explained that someone had been using her social security number for over 20 years and had recently died! This foreign invader (I refuse to use the term "illegal immigrant") had stollen her social security number and had been using it. Her estate even applied for and received the social security death benefit! The state and fed. people got it all straightened out in a couple of weeks and she picked up her purchase.

Good for your customer, but did they go after the illegal?

 

[Riomouse911]

Be happy it’s as easy as it is where you are.

In Ca it’s a 10-day wait for any gun purchase. It stinks, but it’s been around for so long you pretty much get used to it. The longest I’ve waited was 18 days.

There is a restriction, one type of gun purchase every 30 days. (One handgun, one rifle etc.) This is all for the children, of course.

Now there is a background check to buy ammo. You can’t order it online without involving a FFL, either. This is completely useless.

And guns and ammo are still flying off the shelves here.

Stay safe.

 

[Clinton R White]

My background checks usually take an average of 5-10 minutes due to the fact that I have to use a UPIN and my checks always go for further review. I got quite the surprise two weeks ago when it actually took longer to fill out the 4473 than it did for the background check to clear. The clerk took my ID and my UPIN and started the check on the computer while I filled out the paper 4473 and by the time I finished and handed her the paperwork, the check had cleared on the computer. The time before, back in April, it took 1 1/2 hours for my background check to clear. The longest delay I have had since getting my UPIN was 24 hours. As you can see there is no rhyme or reason on how long it takes for a background check to clear.

how long did it take you to get a UPIN and did you do it on your own or go through a lawyer?

 

[12Bravo20]

I filed for my UPIN at the same time that I had to appeal a denial back in 2006. If I remember correctly it took 4 weeks for me to get my UPIN. I filed for a Voluntary Appeals File myself, which you must do before they issue you a UPIN.

Here is the instructions on how to appeal a denial along with how to submit a VAF to get a UPIN issued.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/n...inal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf

 

[.308 Norma]

I was under the impression if the buyer is not a resident of the state where the purchase is being made, it has to be shipped to a FFL in his/her state of residence.
???

Naw old lady new shooter, it's not like that everywhere - at least not for long guns. Our oldest grandson moved from here to Nevada for employment after he graduated college in 2018. By the time he came home to Idaho on vacation last Christmas, he was a legal Nevada resident. Yet he went ahead and bought himself an AR while he was home, and took it back to Nevada with him when he left.
However, while he was here a few weeks ago, he was telling us that he had bought himself a Glock 19 in Nevada (because, being a Nevada resident now, he couldn't legally buy it in Idaho) but he's thinking about taking the class and getting his Nevada CCW license - which has reciprocity with Idaho.
Another example was several years back, my wife spotted a Smith 38 snubby that she "had to have" on a dealers table when we were at a gunshow in Salt Lake City, Utah. The dealer said he couldn't sell it to her because my wife is an Idaho resident. However, the dealer told us that he was the owner of "such and such" gun and pawn in Pocatello, and he told my wife that if she was serious, he'd put the gun under the table, and take it back to Pocatello with him on Sunday night.
As near as I could gather from the conversation, that Pocatello dealer had transferred all of the handguns he had brought with him to the other guy behind the table who was a Utah gun dealer, and when he went back to Pocatello on Sunday night, that other guy would transfer all of the handguns that had not sold at the Utah gunshow back to him.
Anyway, that's what happened - my wife assured the guy that she was serious, and she went to the gun and pawn on Monday morning, filled out the paperwork, gave the guy her CCW license, paid for the gun, and brought it home. She still has it, and it's one of her favorite handguns.
Edited to include one more example - when my Shiloh-Sharps .45-110 was complete, my wife and I simply drove to Big Timber, Montana and picked it up. I filled out the paperwork and finished paying for it right there in the front office of Shiloh Rifle Company. Then I brought my new rifle back home to Idaho.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Naw old lady new shooter, it's not like that everywhere - at least not for long guns. Our oldest grandson moved from here to Nevada for employment after he graduated college in 2018. By the time he came home to Idaho on vacation last Christmas, he was a legal Nevada resident. Yet he went ahead and bought himself an AR while he was home, and took it back to Nevada with him when he left.
However, while he was here a few weeks ago, he was telling us that he had bought himself a Glock 19 in Nevada (because, being a Nevada resident now, he couldn't legally buy it in Idaho) but he's thinking about taking the class and getting his Nevada CCW license - which has reciprocity with Idaho.
Another example was several years back, my wife spotted a Smith 38 snubby that she "had to have" on a dealers table when we were at a gunshow in Salt Lake City, Utah. The dealer said he couldn't sell it to her because my wife is an Idaho resident. However, the dealer told us that he was the owner of "such and such" gun and pawn in Pocatello, and he told my wife that if she was serious, he'd put the gun under the table, and take it back to Pocatello with him on Sunday night.
As near as I could gather from the conversation, that Pocatello dealer had transferred all of the handguns he had brought with him to the other guy behind the table who was a Utah gun dealer, and when he went back to Pocatello on Sunday night, that other guy would transfer all of the handguns that had not sold at the Utah gunshow back to him.
Anyway, that's what happened - my wife assured the guy that she was serious, and she went to the gun and pawn on Monday morning, filled out the paperwork, gave the guy her CCW license, paid for the gun, and brought it home. She still has it, and it's one of her favorite handguns.
Edited to include one more example - when my Shiloh-Sharps .45-110 was complete, my wife and I simply drove to Big Timber, Montana and picked it up. I filled out the paperwork and finished paying for it right there in the front office of Shiloh Rifle Company. Then I brought my new rifle back home to Idaho.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[dogtown tom]

Naw old lady new shooter, it's not like that everywhere - at least not for long guns. Our oldest grandson moved from here to Nevada for employment after he graduated college in 2018. By the time he came home to Idaho on vacation last Christmas, he was a legal Nevada resident. Yet he went ahead and bought himself an AR while he was home, and took it back to Nevada with him when he left.

Federal law allows a nonresident to acquire a rifle or shotgun outside his state of residence as long as the sale is legal in both states.

However, while he was here a few weeks ago, he was telling us that he had bought himself a Glock 19 in Nevada (because, being a Nevada resident now, he couldn't legally buy it in Idaho) but he's thinking about taking the class and getting his Nevada CCW license - which has reciprocity with Idaho.
Another example was several years back, my wife spotted a Smith 38 snubby that she "had to have" on a dealers table when we were at a gunshow in Salt Lake City, Utah. The dealer said he couldn't sell it to her because my wife is an Idaho resident. However, the dealer told us that he was the owner of "such and such" gun and pawn in Pocatello, and he told my wife that if she was serious, he'd put the gun under the table, and take it back to Pocatello with him on Sunday night.
As near as I could gather from the conversation, that Pocatello dealer had transferred all of the handguns he had brought with him to the other guy behind the table who was a Utah gun dealer, and when he went back to Pocatello on Sunday night, that other guy would transfer all of the handguns that had not sold at the Utah gunshow back to him.

Clearly violates ATF regulations. ATF even publishes a brochure for dealers that tells them what they can do at a gun show......and handing/transferring your inventory to a dealer from Utah for the purpose of a sale is clearly not permitted.

 

[.308 Norma]

Clearly violates ATF regulations. ATF even publishes a brochure for dealers that tells them what they can do at a gun show......and handing/transferring your inventory to a dealer from Utah for the purpose of a sale is clearly not permitted.

I did not know that. Thanks! I just said that was as near as I could gather from the conversation.

 

[WestKentucky]

Odd name sometimes helps, but lately about 90% have gone into "pending" and have taken an hour or four.

Odd characteristic sometimes helps. I’m Caucasian but most folks with my first name are not. In fact I have only met about a half dozen in my whole life that have my first name, spelled the same as mine, that are Caucasian, and half of those are in my family.

 

[Poper]

Only time it's a pain is buying guns, it's just so moronic - thanks mom.

Have you ever considered a legal name change? You could change your middle name to "Richard".
Or maybe Rio?

 

[Adrian71]

Only one purchase so far, and no trouble. 4473 was approved in less than 10 minutes.

That's rural North Idaho. Maybe it's different in more populous areas...