I was thinking the same thing! He started a reloading thread last night yelling about be a man and take more recoil because reduced loads are dangerous. Sounds to me we have a troll or spam on our hands.
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Tommygunn
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None of the above is true. New Zealand has a large amount of gun ownership but they have much more legal oversight of gun owners than America has, and yet, 50 human beings are dead that were alive four days ago.
Because of one psychopath with guns.
Registering guns would provide no further assurance of safety than the current NICS check does. It would only tell the government who has guns and what kind they are.
You can trade your rights for what ever wampum you want. But you cannot trade my rights.
Deanimator
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Given over a hundred years of lying on the other side, I have no REASON to trust promoters of racially invidious gun controls.
Sistema1927
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Prove it.
Oh, that's right, you can't. No criminal has ever been deterred by laws, especially useless laws that "feel good" but do nothing but infringe on the rights of honest folks. This is nothing new, Thomas Jefferson said "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Deanimator
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Criminals aren't the target because criminals aren't a threat to those promoting racially invidious gun controls.
They're not a threat. They're a constituency.
jar
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I don't much see a problem with background checks on all gun sales or even on ammo purchases as long as we also provide the financial support to fund enough personnel, technology and infrastructure to perform the background checks in a timely manner.
The idea that garden-variety semi-auto guns are uniquely "useful" for those seeking to achieve mass carnage is belied by history. Remember that the Nice, France attack with a truck killed more people than the worst mass shootings. Fires in crowded spaces with restricted exits have also killed more.
It is an unfortunate truth that human beings are relatively fragile, and there are many, many ways to kill them... just because the current cultural zietgeist has enticed many homicidal maniacs to use guns does not mean that they are any sort of necessary ingredient. They are a substitutable good for mass carnage, particularly where the attacker doesn't care about "getting away with it." The idea that a ban of some subset of guns will move either the overall homicide needle, or even the mass killing needle, is fantasy. I understand the desperate desire for there to be a "solution" that can be enacted by fiat, but there isn't one. Solutions will come from the places that crime and murder reductions generally come from - cultural change, often interrelated with economic change.
As for background checks, I have no problem with some kind of eligibility-verification required for all firearm acquisitions. I do have a serious problem with checks that generate records and become a de facto registry. As we can see, political winds can pivot in an instant. A registry (including a record of all prior gun transactions) simply enables future materiel restrictions to be implemented any time there is a temporary spike in public/political support.
It is an unfortunate truth that human beings are relatively fragile, and there are many, many ways to kill them... just because the current cultural zietgeist has enticed many homicidal maniacs to use guns does not mean that they are any sort of necessary ingredient. They are a substitutable good for mass carnage, particularly where the attacker doesn't care about "getting away with it." The idea that a ban of some subset of guns will move either the overall homicide needle, or even the mass killing needle, is fantasy. I understand the desperate desire for there to be a "solution" that can be enacted by fiat, but there isn't one. Solutions will come from the places that crime and murder reductions generally come from - cultural change, often interrelated with economic change.
As for background checks, I have no problem with some kind of eligibility-verification required for all firearm acquisitions. I do have a serious problem with checks that generate records and become a de facto registry. As we can see, political winds can pivot in an instant. A registry (including a record of all prior gun transactions) simply enables future materiel restrictions to be implemented any time there is a temporary spike in public/political support.
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Jim Watson
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How about an INELIGIBILITY indicator? When a con gets out of the slammer and gets a new internal passport (driver's license) it will be stamped "Not valid for firearms purchase." We "honest citizens" don't have to prove anything.
luzyfuerza
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Convince me...how, exactly, would universal background check laws covering firearm or ammo sales do a better job of keeping these items out of the hands of criminals than current legal requirements?
Please be precise, and provide concrete evidence that this would be an improvement over the current sitation.
Interesting idea, although I don't want to make it harder for people who have "served their time" to get jobs or the like. There's a ton of evidence that barriers to re-entry to the workforce are big drivers of recidivism.
I'd prefer to do what the gun-selling/buying/swapping community in my state has largely adopted for private, FTF sales - show the shall-issue CCW to the seller. Since things that would hold up a background check prevent the issuance of a CCW, that card is basically a "pre-cleared" card. It works that way at FFL's, too (you still fill out the 4473, of course, you just don't have to hang around for the FBI to respond to a request). People who cannot get a CCW have a harder time getting a gun, or at least are driven to those who have decided to sell regardless, yet no records are created. It's a pretty good solution.
I understand the in-principle objection to needing a "permission slip" to exercise a constitutional right, but that happens with lots of rights. You have to register to vote. You have to get a marriage license to get married. You have to provide a SSN to be employed. We've long since crossed that bridge.
CoalTrain49
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We already had a AWB. People studied it and there was no conclusive evidence that banning SA rifles saved lives. We have a UBC here in this state, had it for about 3 years now. Crime rate with firearms hasn't changed so those criminals are either passing the BC or getting their weapons someplace else.
If there was a shred of evidence anywhere that suggested that AWB's and BC's did anything to reduce the homicide rate I might be swayed, but until then I'm opposed to all of it. The bottom line is even with strict gun control the homicide rate doesn't change and that's what we really need to look at, not the instrument used to commit the homicide.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-and-state-gun-laws/?utm_term=.8d29d61ffb8a
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Deanimator
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Deanimator
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Speech and association come next.
jar
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I don't see how it could be utterly meaningless.
But the US is one of the few developed country that doesn't really have a clue who is actually a citizen.
jar
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LOL
For one thing it would be before the fact while laws are only effective after the fact.
It's certainly not a big imposition or inconvenience even.
jar
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Not sure how there is ANY infringement. But I don't really see any reason we need to continue being stupid.
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This OP sounds like a troll from a other forum I know. Makes dogmatic comments just to see who will respond, then personal attacks will begin. Even suspect he uses 2 computers and creates arguments with himself to see who he can suck in
There is only a blank profile. Hope I'm wrong....hate to see this great site cet caught up in that.
There is only a blank profile. Hope I'm wrong....hate to see this great site cet caught up in that.
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