Bad Broomhandle, Bad Dealer?

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Some of you may remeber my customer that bought a "90%" Broomhandle Mauser that turned out to have a cracked and welded barrel extension, ie unsafe to shoot!

Customer spent a lot of money, and luckily it was returned upon return of the gun. Obviously, my customer was out shipping both ways for a gun that was misrepresented....

The dealer gave some excuse that he got it from a friend or etc. He was told the reason the gun was being returned,and he was told this gun is unsafe.

Still looking for a Broomie for a customer...and what do I find...

The same f*c*in gun...for $1900...I know its the same gun becasue..

Its the Same Dealer..

Its the same serial number...

Know I aint gonna bad mouth the delaer..I am just gonna point out my concern about an unsafe firearm that I personally inspected that now is being sold again...whether or not the dealer tells someone the problems with this gun is somehting thats beyond my knowledge..suffice it to say it isnt in the ad...

And the dealer knows whats up here..

Heres the ad...

Broomhandl

I dont know what to do further on this...any judgements.....

WildhatethisstuffAlaska
 
This gun is in your bound book twice, yes? It's time to call the law... you've got indisputable paperwork that this arsewhole is trying to defraud people.
 
At very least I'd E-mail Gunsarmerica and inform them of this guns (and dealers) issues...


Not sure if G/A is a stand up bunch or not, sounds like a darn good test case to me... If they do something I'd check Gun Broker and auction arms soon after.
 
Problem is I dont know what the delaer is telling people who inquire...

"O by the way, it has been professionally repaired" is the truth isnt it...???

Problem is that unless you study up on this stuff or are a tyto, youd never know its unsafe would ya? Or not worth anyhting close to what hes asking....

WildfedupAlaska
 
I'm not sure from post if your the one who examined it and determined it was unsafe or if it was someone else. If it was you or someone you think knows what they are talking about I think that's vital information that was left out of the description provided. Now if the description stated "Unsafe Pistol-no pics-$1,900..." it would be a different story ;)

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd think G/A would appreciate the tip if they are reputable folks. Maybe they would just contact the seller and it would quietly just dissapear form listings.

Sad thing is even if gun is pulled, seller knows it's a problem gun and does not care. Someday someway it's gonna end up in somebodies hand who's gonna shoot it:uhoh:
 
You've absolutely got to do something about this, it could quite literally be someone's life.

I'm not sure who you'd call or contact, but you really have to get that bozo selling the unsafe pistol knocked upside the head (figuratively) by the law, otherwise he won't stop trying to sell it.

If you ask me, I think he bought it from someone for full price as a working fireable safe gun and then found that, and had the person he bought it from disappear. He seems to be determined to get money from that pistol, which now amounts to a display piece.
 
It's one thing to sell an unsafe firearm as a parts gun or a display only piece, but to knowingly attempt to sell an unsafe firearm as serviceable is just plain wrong! This is the sort of thing that can quickly give gun dealers bad reputations and start law suites.
 
Gotta agree with the rest here. If you bring it to the attention of others that should know about the seller and the gun itself, what harm would it cause to you? At least you would have the support of us here :rolleyes: for doing what was the right and moral thing to do. Not only would I think a bit of fraud would be here but possibly some endangerment as well is the buyer weren't told about the unsafe condition.

yes sir...I'd speak what you knwo to those that should know!
 
Wild, you have done all that can be done. You can't stop people from being stupid or crooked. The seller may be a dealer. It would be interesting to know if he is dealing without a FFL. BATFE?
 
I'm not sure from post if your the one who examined it and determined it was unsafe or if it was someone else. If it was you or someone you think knows what they are talking about I think that's vital information that was left out of the description provided. Now if the description stated "Unsafe Pistol-no pics-$1,900..." it would be a different story
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I was the one who looked at it. As you all may (or may not) know, the piece on the Broomhandle that holds it all together is the bolt "stop" on the right side of the barrel extension. It fits into a slot in the extension and basically holds the bolt into the gun. Upon firing, the recoil spring and the hammer spring slow the bolt thoeretcially enough that the bolt stop will not be battered, or even worse crack or peen the extension itself. If that bolt stop lets go, or the extension breaks, all sorts of neat stuff go flying out the back of the gun into your face..

What makes it worse is that much of the 7.63 Mauser ammo out there is of uncertain or dubious origin, frequently loade to CZ 52 or PPSh specs...gonna batter the hell out of a 100 year old Broomie...

This particular specimen looked fantastic, except the barrel extension where the bolt stop fits was clearly welded and ground down...and that weld was cracking...accoriding to one of the premier Broomie guys in the country, thats it, finished, fini....once busted they are worthelss and unsafe...

Besides...the weld was not even finished (ie reblued)...that sure as hell doesnt make it a 90% gun.....

The seller is a dealer...Hill Country Firearms if I recall correctly....

I think the way I will handle the situation by sending the fella an email tomorrow indicating that I think the interest of fairness mandates that he put in his ad that the pistol has the defect noted above...Lets see what hios answer is

I recognize that I can be a real prick sometimes and I can piss people off...I also recognize that I drive a hard bargain on people...thats OK, but with all my faults I would never deliberately misrepresent a gun to somebody and it really bugs me that this is happening.


WildcrookstheivespaedophilesanddrugdealersarethelowestformsoflifeAlaska
 
While i reserve him the right to try to sell the gun for as much as he can possibly get for it. And i would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt the FIRST time he sold it. Now, it is an entirely different story. He is KNOWLINGLY misrepresenting and attempting to sell a potentially dangerous firearm.

If i were you i would contact the seller first to see what he has to say. And then after his undoubtedly insufficient explanation report it to gunbroker. Beyond that i cant think of much you can do about it.
 
The guy sounds like a crook. After having the gun returned to him, he now knows about the defect (if he didn't before) and he is still trying to sell it for full price. By his price, it is clear that he is not selling it as a wall hanger or parts gun, he wants top dollar and he is not going to lose out on a buch of money by telling someone that the gun is junk.

I wouldn't even give this the benefit of the doubt because he failed to mention anything in his ad about the defects. I can't be sure but I am 99% certain that he is trying to screw someone. That is enough to do something about it. I hate crooks like this. We have all run into them from time to time at gun shows or other places and they make me sick. They ruin it for everyone and they don't deserve to have an FFL if this is how they are going to use it. Call the ATF and let this jerk explain it to them.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, when people here know of a fraud, they should post it. It just might save one of us from being burned.
 
Hers my email:

Dear Sir:

Is this the same Broomhandle Mauser previously shipped to our shopp for XXXXXX in Alaska...according to our dealer book the first three digits of the serial number match.

If so, I have a concern about this weapon inasmuch as the barrel extension was welded (and the weld was cracking when I examined the firearm). Therefore the firearm is unsafe.

I beleive you have bbeen told this by us and by Mr. XXXXX before you refunded his money.

All firearms dealers have in interest in ensuring that any firearm sold is properly represented as to condition. I would hope that your ad will reflect this.

Should you have any questions, please contact me.


Let see what response I get


WildfeelbetternowAlaska
 
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