Bad News for CA outright Lead ammo ban

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AB3071, Bad news for all shooters and ranges.
One would hope it would not pass but this is CA, and no hope The Gov. will veto it, Brown might have but no such luck with Newsom.



Not that it will make a difference but if you are in CA contact your Representatives and urge them to vote no.

Not on the books yet but probably our only hope is maybe the courts will overturn it if passed.
AB 3071, as introduced, Mullin. Lead ammunition: shooting ranges.
Existing law requires the sale of ammunition to be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor. Existing law also requires the use of nonlead ammunition when taking big game mammals, nongame birds, or nongame mammals within the California condor range. Existing law requires the Fish and Game Commission to maintain, by regulation, a public process to certify ammunition as nonlead ammunition and to establish and annually update a list of certified nonlead ammunition.
This bill would prohibit a sport shooting range or an indoor shooting range, as defined, from selling or giving away ammunition unless that ammunition is certified as nonlead ammunition by the commission. The bill would also prohibit patrons or employees of a sport shooting range or an indoor shooting range from firing ammunition unless it is nonlead certified and would require a sport shooting range and an indoor shooting range to post a specified sign to that effect.



https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB3071
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I am afraid those of us in CA are about to be completely bleeped.
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Certainly NOT to be disregarded simply because it's California.... or; New York, Minnesota and the like.

Their politisanity has long been shown to be a communicable disease.

Too, if this passes and is upheld in California, look for them to flex their inter-state muscle to get other states to adopt it as well as they've been doing on several issues these past several years.

It's ALWAYS important to know what these goof-ball legislatures 9ELECTED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE POPULACES - MIND!) are up to to stay ahead of them trying to infect other states.

California has absolutely become a viral petri dish and if you're not scared of what they are trying to do with emissions to the rest of the nation - you should be. California is know for taking a social agenda once successful and morphing to other areas of life and then exporting it around the country.

This, is not to be taken lightly nor dismissed out of hand as standard ol' fruits & nuts nonsense of the past.

Todd.
 
wow they are looking for any way to shut down legal gun owners aren't they?
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Yes....
If you can't outlaw guns outlaw the ammo....
Yes there are non-lead bullets available, but at a greatly increased cost, and not in all calibers even if you reload and of course if passed supply will be nill until production of the alternatives is ramped up (if it ever is)
The bill sponsors are both Democrats from the Bay area, go figure.....

4 times the cost of normal ammo plus it must be certified. Legal for you to go to the range if you can afford it
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Yep $28 for 40
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010858688
so my USPSA match now costs $280 for bullets alone.


I imagine that this will drive the range I shoot at out of business, and many other ranges as well. Of course these lost jobs are not important to some people, just the people who work there to buy food, pay the rent, make their car payments etc.

I guess they are evil for working at ranges so they deserve to starve.

BTW I am sure there will be an exemption for law enforcement ranges.
(Note: Nothing against Law enforcement, they deserve to be able to practice, they deserve the best bullets they can get in case someone needs them. They deserve all the help they can get! ( sad the that some people don't feel the same about the military.) The problem is no matter how hard they try they may be 5 minutes or more away....

(Note #2 I have been shot by scumbags robbing the gas station I worked at years ago so I am not unbiased about this, kidnapped, missing from gas station, PD can't do anything until I have been missing for 24 hours, 6 hours later thrown out in a field by the border to Mexico, shot, left for dead,)
So according to CA the scumbags that shot me should not have had a gun so CA laws worked really well for me....:barf:, (nothing to worry about right, it's against the law)

(PS the guys got life but were paroled, since they were 1. under 18 when they did it, or 2. 65 and old and not a threat any longer...never realized that when you were 65 you could no longer pull a trigger)
 
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SMH. CA... o_O The Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986 Prop 65 has a warning on nearly everything in the state, one more to the pile. Wonder when they will ban high fat, cholesterol foods and mandate that all restaurants serve meals strictly approved by the FDA. Those will have to meet the nutritional guidelines for a 2200 calorie a day intake. Offenders offering menu selections beyond that will be fined heavily. No bacon, cheese, ice cream and any sugar products have to adhere to a maximum allowable content. Obviously they can implement background checks for these too. :uhoh: :p
 
This will spread. Just you wait. The European Union is looking at a similar ban, and there are murmurs from Canada as well.

Can someone tell me what lead-free ammo is most popular for smallbore rifle competition?
 
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I imagine that this will drive the range I shoot at out of business, and many other ranges as well.
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that way they can technically say they support the right to have a gun and "didn't ban guns" when they only allow one kind of gun and a couple rounds of ammo if you can afford it, it like Bernie saying Castro wasn't all bad when he expanded literacy and speech in Cuba when having literacy was good as long as what you read and wrote was pro state.
 
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This will spread. Just you wait. The European Union is looking at a similar ban, and there are murmurs from Canada as well.

Can someone tell me what lead-free ammo is most popular for smallbore rifle competition?
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actually it is not a new tactic coming down on lead started decades ago under Clinton but it fizzled away after a while just like "smart guns" but in Cali with it's one party dominance for the foreseen future it is different
 
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SMH. CA... o_O The Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986 Prop 65 has a warning on nearly everything in the state, one more to the pile. Wonder when they will ban high fat, cholesterol foods and mandate that all restaurants serve meals strictly approved by the FDA. Those will have to meet the nutritional guidelines for a 2200 calorie a day intake. Offenders offering menu selections beyond that will be fined heavily. No bacon, cheese, ice cream and any sugar products have to adhere to a maximum allowable content. Obviously they can implement background checks for these too. :uhoh: :p
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Not to worry, Comerade, high level DemSoc Party members will be exempt from such controls on the proletariat.....
 
BTW, I had lead poisoning from the indoor range I used to shoot at, they should have done a better job filtering the air but that's another issue, not fair to discriminate against indoor ranges that do do it right.
After finding out and tracing the cause I chose not to shoot there any more.

Wonder if CA will ban cell phones, lots of deaths due to people talking on there cells while driving and :eek: there is lead in them.
(and no accounting for whatever the company that makes them in China is poisoning the people there with..)

I set stages and scrounge brass at the outdoor range where I shoot. My lead levels are fine even doing this so I don't see a safety issue there, of course other people may have different results.

mods,
Thanks for tolerating this thread so far.
It was not my intention to start a political debate, but should have know what would happen that when I posted it:oops:

I did feel it was important to make people aware of this attack on what I feel is our right..
OK, now it is just CA but your State could be next.
 
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I guess the free market will fill the void if demand for solid copper bullets increases. Prices will come down but will probably always be double the price of jacketed lead. The kicker will be the cost of certification that the nuts will set really high.
 
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