Ballistic tips

[Rem700CDLSF3006]

thank you Kacock im hoping to find some sooner or later I git a question for you about 50% say I need a magnum primer with H414 whats your take on it

 

[Kachok]

I have never used a magnum primer with 414 so I cannot comment on if it is any better, but I have had satisfactory results with 414 and standard primers, 414 is a slow burner but not that slow, if you are inclined to use magnum primers by all means give them a go, but start 12-15% below max seeing as the longer burn of magnum primers can slightly increase pressure, nearly all published data for 30-06 is done with standard primers.

 

[Rem700CDLSF3006]

kacock I have just read that sperical is harder to ignite,and some say a magnum primer.I have not used 414 yet but used to reload a 220 Swift and it loved H380 which is sperical and I just used standard primer

 

[41 Mag]

Rem700CDLSF3006 -

I got some 165 grain to start working up a load soon

Kachok -

41 Mag are you talking 150, 165, 168 or 180gr? Please specify weight so we don't have a newbie kaboom anything. I am assuming you are talking about the 30-06.

I was talking about the 165gr BT that Rem700 said he had, and was going to load. I presumed that by the fellows handle, and the weight of BT mentioned, that yes we were discussing him loading for a 30-06. However, he never actually has mentioned exactly what caliber, so I guess I shouldn't have offered any data, or should have allowed it was specifically for the 30-06.

That said, the same powders will work equally as well for other weights "in a 30-06" using the BT as well, but not with the listed loads. The load ranges I listed are mid ground loads listed on the Hodgdon loads for either of the powders, and can be found in the Reloading Data Center on their site by going here, Hodgdon

I personally have found that around 57.5 of either, or, works equally well using either the 150 or 165gr Nosler bullets, in all of my rifles and every one of my friends rifles. I use either Win or Rem cases and Win-WLR primers most of the time, but CCI-200 or BR-2's have worked equally as well. I also use the same overall length I listed above of 3.250" from base to tip. For what ever reason that length just works.

Sorry for the confusion, next time I will press the OP for exactly what their intended use is for. Something I normally do, just in this particular case didn't.

 

[Rem700CDLSF3006]

thank you 41 mag and yes it is a 30-06

 

[Kachok]

I would not call H414 a spherical powder, but it is not a stick powder either so I guess it is kinna hard to describe. Big Game is a real spherical powder, like a million little super slick ball bearings, H414 is a bunch of little oddly shaped lumps like a crushed stick powder or something. Anyway that is beside the point as I have said I have never used a magnum primer with it or any powder spherical or otherwise faster the RL22 unless I was using a load that specifically called for a magnum primer, no doubt you could use a magnum primer with it (or any powder really) but personally I don't.
I kinna figured we were talking about the 165gr 30-06 but wanted to clarify for any new comers that might not read between the lines, sorry 41 I was not trying to pick on you or anything.

 

[Geno]

I've taken deer with the following ballistic tip ammunition. They are accurate, and hit hard.

.270 Win, 130 grain, Hornady SuperFormance

.308 Win, 150 grain, Horandy SuperFormance

I am a strong advocate for hand-loading ammunition because I usually get better accuracy, and lower cost. I can not out-do Hornady's SuperFormance ammunition for accuracy. Cost is another matter; it is pricey! I do not like Nosler's ballistic tip projectiles because they foul the barrel so badly. There are several companies that manufacture bonded ballistic tip ammunition, such as Winchester.

Geno

 

[41 Mag]

No worries Kachok, I'm with ya.

I understood completely and I was somewhat reading between the lines myself. And now with the large abundance of new folks coming in, looking around for info, but not necessarily being signed up, it is best to get into a bit more detail when posting loads.

 

[RCL]

I've loaded 165 BT's (30-06) over a mid range load of IMR4350 (from Nosler's manual) with impressive results on whitetails.....you want to make sure you hit mostly ribs (lungs) though....shoulder shots will ruin a lot of burger and roast meat.
I also get near identical results with Hornady SST bullets in their factory Superformance ammo.

 

[6.5swede]

I just posted this on another thread but also helps answer your question. Not all ballistic tips are the same. When they first hit the market, the NBT's were highly frangible and thus earned a bad reputation as a hunting bullet secondary to poor penetration when hitting shoulders and such. However, over the years, Nosler has tweaked the jacket thickness of the NBT in certain calibers. A prime example is the 7mm 120gr NBT which is a fairly tough bullet. Nosler thickened the jacket of this bullet to appease the silhouette shooters who complained about the frangibility of this highly accurate 7mm bullet when shooting steel targets at distance. As a side benefit, it's become a dang good hunting bullet, my go to for deer and hogs in my 7mm-08. The 6.5mm 120gr NBT is similar. Another is the 6mm 95gr NBT. This is one of Nosler's most respected ballisticians pet bullet. He is a big fan of the 243 and designed this bullet specifically for deer. He regarded it as one of the best bullets he ever designed. Other "tougher than normal NBT's" are the .277 150g NBT and 30cal 165 and 180gr NBT's. I'm sure there are others. Excluding CNS shots, these bullets have accounted for more instant drops when placed in boiler room than other mono metal bullets that I've used, just less forgiving with errant shot placement.