Ban rocks to stop vandalism?

[Outlaws]

Again thoughts are harmless. A person might have several bad feelings however until action occurs thoughts are completely harmless.

Thoughts do not kill…….people with weapons do.

How did the action occur? Did the hands do it? No. The neurons and nerve endings did. Hands do not operate on their own. Hands are inanimate objects on their own. Otherwise we have a word around here for that....Zombies.

But before you say, "see, hands are the weapon!" No, the neurons in your head is the weapon. Neurons actually physically fire on and off.

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

+++You used to ban the trolls with just a few post+++

I fully expect the ban. Again, this is the experiment. Yet I have done nothing which pro-gun posters have not done.


Again, I believe that respect and honor are secondary to the pull of items.

I expect the ban becuase of my position....nothing more and nothing less.


Again, I am being painted as a troll when I have done nothing but express my views.

 

[SuperNaut]

Weapons are a requirement for murder and rocks are not a requirement for broken windows. The analogy is flawed.

Perhaps it isn't a direct analogy, but an implication?

There has never been a murder without the use of weapons, thus weapons become fair game for voters wishing to limit harm.

But there have been murders upon murders without the use of guns, why the special concern?

 

[igpoobah]

Anything can be used as a 'weapon'. A human can beat another human to death with the New York Sunday times, but that Sunday Times will not beat someone to death all by itself, nor will a gun shoot someone all by itself.

Now then, if your frail old grandmother is faced with an attacker, which would you rather equip her with; a gun, or the Sunday New York Times?

As said in my previous post, the only solution to the problem of murder is to remove humans from the equasion.

 

[Joshua C]

*A human can beat another human to death with the New York Sunday times*

Listen to Carlin?

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

Now, moderators can promote this as a gun board. However, if am banned they can't promote this as a board of open discussion.


It all depends on what the creators of this board want. It is their board and not mine.

 

[armoredman]

Answer my question, then, if thought never killed. Show me ONE murder that didn't involve thought, directed action. You can't.

 

[Outlaws]

In case you already read the post before I edited it....


How did the action occur? Did the hands do it? No. The neurons and nerve endings did. Hands do not operate on their own. Hands are inanimate objects on their own. Otherwise we have a word around here for that....Zombies.

But before you say, "see, hands are the weapon!" No, the neurons in your head is the weapon. Neurons actually physically fire on and off.

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

+++Perhaps it isn't a direct analogy, but an implication?+++

It is an attempt to wrongly frame debate and to lessen the bond between work and tools.

No work is done without tools

And no murder is done without weapons.

 

[BHPshooter]

One wonders why he's not calling for the removal of hands to prevent murder, though.

Exactly my point, Justin. You can ban all kinds of handy objects, but you will NEVER be able to ban murder (It is illegal already, right? ) because murder can be committed by hands, feet, teeth, and if you're precise about it, even fingernails.

Shall we ban fingernails, Creek?

Therefore, since we CAN'T ban all items that murders are committed with (like guns, knives, rope and gravity, fingernails), we need to ensure that EVERYONE has access to tools, so that when an evil person swoops in towards their prey, they can defend themselves as effectively as possible. That's what I believe.

Wes

 

[Outlaws]

Now, moderators can promote this as a gun board. However, if am banned they can't promote this as a board of open discussion.


It all depends on what the creators of this board want. It is their board and not mine.

Answer my question.

How did the action occur? Did the hands do it? No. The neurons and nerve endings did. Hands do not operate on their own. Hands are inanimate objects on their own. Otherwise we have a word around here for that....Zombies.

But before you say, "see, hands are the weapon!" No, the neurons in your head is the weapon. Neurons actually physically fire on and off.

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

+++How did the action occur? Did the hands do it?+++

Again, tools is a requirement of work or murder. Thoughts alone do nothing unless you can provide an example of a thought alone moving an object.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Ah, there his call for us to make a martyr him for his beliefs. How noble.

 

[strat81]

Rocks are one of the tools that can be used for vandalism.
Guns are one of the tools that can be used for murder.

Banning all tools of vandalism is impossible since it includes rocks, wood, car keys, solvents, etc.

Banning all tools of murder (i.e., weapons) is impossible since it includes guns, knives, cars, hands, feet, pharmaceuticals, etc.

 

[Joshua C]

got an example of tools alone doing an action?

 

[princewally]

"Posters can't generate a single example of a weaponless murder or a single example of work completed without a tool. "

Of course not. You only accept your own definitions of all of the words in this sentence. Weapon, tool, murder, work. They all have definitions.

Why don't you let the American Heritage Dictionary define your words for you, instead of defining them by your feelings?

work (wûrk) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something.

tool (tōōl) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. A device, such as a saw, used to perform or facilitate manual or mechanical work.
2.
1. A machine, such as a lathe, used to cut and shape machine parts or other objects.
2. The cutting part of such a machine.
3. A bookbinder's hand stamp.
4. A design impressed on a book cover by such a stamp.
3. Something regarded as necessary to the carrying out of one's occupation or profession: Words are the tools of our trade.
4. Something used in the performance of an operation; an instrument: "Modern democracies have the fiscal and monetary tools . . . to end chronic slumps and galloping inflations" (Paul A. Samuelson).

weap·on (wěp'ən) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. An instrument of attack or defense in combat, as a gun, missile, or sword.
2. Zoology A part or organ, such as a claw or stinger, used by an animal in attack or defense.
3. A means used to defend against or defeat another: Logic was her weapon.

mur·der (mûr'dər) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Work without tools-I walked across the room. Physical effort directed toward accomplishing getting myself across the room.

Weaponless murder - Neglecting to take a child to the doctor's office. Neglect is NOT a weapon.

Murderless killing- any lawful use of self defense.

 

[Outlaws]

+++How did the action occur? Did the hands do it?+++

Again, tools is a requirement of work or murder. Thoughts alone do nothing unless you can provide an example of a thought alone moving an object.

The rest of the question. About neurons. Hands are a tool of a tool. Its like a complicated bankshot...if you will.

 

[SuperNaut]

It is an attempt to wrongly frame debate and to lessen the bond between work and tools.

This assumes that rhetoric isn't effective and that a website is a moderated debate.

No work is done without tools

And no murder is done without weapons.

You keep writing this, yet it has nothing to do with my questions.

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

+++You can ban all kinds of handy objects, but you will NEVER be able to ban murder+++

You are embracing intellectual censorship since you support many bans on weapons. Thus you understand the relationship between tools and work.

The analogy is meant to weaken this bond by obscuring the relationship.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

So, you've made the point that no murder is performed without weapons. So what's your solution to the problem? According to your logic, you would have to go beyond banning firearms to banning anything that can be used as a weapon. I wish you luck with that endeavor.

We understand that weapons are used for murder. What does that have to do with the right to keep and bear arms? People will always use something to kill somebody else, so banning firearms is pointless. It won't work, because as you have asserted, all murders use some kind of weapon. If you get rid of all the firearms in the world, then somehow magically remove all knowledge of them, people will use something else. The human race has been killing it's own for thousands of years before the advent of firearms, and in mass numbers.

 

[awalkalongmingocreek]

+++Of course not+++

I am glad we agree and this anology is not valid.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Thus weapons which are highly effective in defense with be also highly effective in producing murder.

So the weapons are causing the murders?

Thoughts do not kill…….people with weapons do.

Or the people?

Circular logic is basically flawed.

 

[RancidSumo]

Thoughts do not murder....people with weapons murder

But the thought is what causes the the actions.

With the definition of a weapon that you seem to be using, the only way to get rid of weapons is to chop everyones arms off and cut them off at the waist. So if guns should be banned then so should knives, ropes, pencils, sticks, and cars. You would even have to ban water.

As for a weaponless murder, lets say you push someone off of a cliff. Are the rocks at the bottom the weapon because if it isn't your thoughts that cause you to do something then it can't be your hands fault that they died since the rocks at the bottom caused the death even though it was your hands that sent them to the rocks and your thoughts that caused you to push.

 

[armoredman]

So you walk in here, throw around words and actions deliberately designed to inflame and insult, then act hurt and offended when we respond? You promote your position on a board you know to be expressly populated by others who do believe a differant veiwpoint, and wonder when we defend our beliefs? You vilify our lawful pursuits, and refuse to answer our countering questions, to what end? You personal inner vindication that you are, truely persecuted? Is there one of us who would have hunted you down and forced you to read our words? Doubtful, but unlike you, I make no global statements I know I cannot prove. I, for one, would never have written word one your direction save for your actions, your directed thoughts.
You hoplohobia is unfortunate, and a treatable condition.

 

[Outlaws]

Thoughts do not kill…….people with weapons do.

Peoples "thoughts" are what let them allow Hitler to take office and do whatever he wanted. Their "thoughts" allowed them to stand still and watch brutality happen.

Thoughts are very dangerous.