Barrel break-in

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I was having an internet exchange with a local smith talking about the new LRB M25 I'm having put together. In one of his replies he went through his barrel break in routine. Just curious if you fine folks feel this routine is warranted or is this routine overkill?


>to do the break in. break in proceedure is as follows starting wiht a clean barrel and i recommend using only the hoppes branded bore cleaner that we sell that is made by MPRO 7 its the best and i can cite 100 reasons . use it only change your bore brush at least every 10 rounds. shoot and clean between every round. fire one round and clean wiht a damp patch dampen the brush and 10 strokes let it sit 5 minutes but no less than 3 then a dry patch followed by a damp patch and then a dry patch untill no copper or fouling comes from the bore. usually 3 patches of each is enough to accomplish this. but getting all the copper out is important otherwise you will not smoth out the bore. and i dojnt care whoose barrel is on the rilfe the proceedure is the same. you will notice that after 20 rounds there is a change in the barrel when cleaning it it all of a sudden feels smoth and once you get to 40 rounds it feels like glass when you get to 60 rounds you are done. theis will minimize the heat checks in the rilfe and assure the longest life and best accuracy. ammo to use to break in i recommedn winchester full jacket white box or federal american eagle red box. as long as it is new ammo made in the usa and a full copper jacket. inportant that it is a full jacket buller. no molly coated ammo no reloads unless they are of your own manufacture . you are looking for consistancy for break in. then you need to go to the range and test fire the rifle and check it ofr accuracy with several different loads of new mnufactued ammo of match grade quality. match grade means that it is of a spec and consistancy uniform thuout the loading process ususally you will find that federal goldmeadl is at the top of the pile hornady is right at the top of the pile after that it is up to you winchester is up there altho we do cut a chamber that is for their match loads only so try different ammo and when you change lots clean the barrel to a clean bore every time so that you results are the sme. if the rifle is for match competetion you need to do shooting both from the bench and from the rilfe sling position. all shot groups should be 200 yards minimum for consistnacy or you can try 100 yards if your skills are not up to the 200. does not matter if you use iron sights or a scope results will be the same we are looking for consistancy of the shot groups and a base line to start from to determine what accuracy enhance,ents will give you the best return for your dollar>
 
I'm a charter member of the Don't Bother crowd. Sure, clean before the first shooting, just to ensure there's no grunge from before you acquired the piece. And, it doesn't hurt to run a patch through the bore every ten or so rounds in the early stages, just to sorta check on whether or not any fouling is building up.

My range sessions tend to be bolt-action, and rarely more than a box of shells in sight-in or load-testing. Every several boxes' worth, I'll use copper-removing bore cleaner. Otherwise, it's just run an oily patch through against rust. Or, first, a patch with WD 40 and then the oil. No big deal.

I dunno. I've been getting half- to 3/4-MOA groups out of my main pet rifle since around 1971 or so; some 4,000 rounds through it, give or take a few. Seems to me my "non-system" works okay. :D
 
NO !

Hey There:
I agree with Art.
While I will admit that there may be a gun or two out there that "could "
need some break in, I do not buy it in a general sense.
Many speak of this and may or may not know what they are talking about.
Good quality rifles shoot good right out of the box. Some shoot better after some tweaking but rarely is it a barrel break in issue. More so along the lines of Triggers, free floating etc.
Some rifle shoot well clean and some shoot better dirty. I have (2) .223 Reminton 700s Very close in shape and size. One will not group dirty and must be cleaned. The other hates to be cleaned and shoots many rounds accurately dirty. By accurately I mean 1/4 min. groups. neither of these two rifle have ever shot anything over 1/2 minute at there very worst. And that was before I had the loads figured out.
 
I broke in all of my new rifles. Now all the new rifles shoot a 1" moa every time. And I'm an absolute horrible shot. So it must be the rifles. :)
 
Another voice to add to the "don't waste your time" crowd. If you really want to spend time and add a bit of wear to your barrel, fire-lap it. This, at least, has potential to improve things.
 
One form of it. Lapping with jacketed bullets smooths the barrel and can reduce or erase future metal fouling. Lapping with lead bullets does the same, but also tends to uniform the inside diameter of the barrel and create a bore that tapers from breach to muzzle. (Which is a good thing.) The jacketed bullets tend to "spring back" after they pass through any constriction, so you get polishing but not uniforming, if that makes sense.
 
It's not that I don't agree with it, making a bore as smooth and consistent as poss, all the way down the bore is a good idea. However, nowadays, most even factory rifles make pretty good bbls(just read an art on factory accuracy, in the new field n stream, even the new mossberg lever was hitting 5 shot moa groups at 100, the best tested was a Wetherby submoa model vanguard, doing .5 inch groups at 100), and a custom made bbl should really not need this at all.
I do believe in a good cleaning on any new rifle or bbl that you get, to make sure there is no crap inside.
that also sounds like a lot of shots for a break in as well, to me, cleaning , lubing, and drying, if you cannot do it all in 25 or 30 shots, the rest is just overkill.
 
barrel break in

I break in barrels and clean them religously.

When you buy a new rifle the barrel is not perfectly smooth inside, it has imperfections and very small jagged pieces.

So when you fist get it it is important to try to sort these out. if you dont these imperfections catch copper from your bullets and a deposit builds on it in subsequent shots.

so we want to try to flatten them out. without leaving copper on them.
This is what i do

1. 5 x 1 shot strings with thorough cleaning between each shot using brushes and solvents.

2. 3 x 2 shot strings with thorough cleaning between each shot using brushes and solvents.

3. 3 x 3 shot strings with thorough cleaning between each shot using brushes and solvents.

4. 1 x 5 shot strings with thorough cleaning between each shot using brushes and solvents.

Then you are done and away you go.

steve
 
Clean before shooting.
Go shoot... ensure barrel doesnt get hot. Normally average about 1 shot every 1-2 minutes. Shoot five cartirdges...

Let the barrel cool.

Come back... clean. Put rifle away...

Never quite understood what break in was supposed to achieve.
 
afy,
Never quite understood what break in was supposed to achieve.

i explained that in my post, also the steel in the barrel is a little bit porus and the residue from the powder gets in them. if that stuff is allowed to saty in the barrell it goes like glass powder, this is pretty abrassive and each time you push a bullet along it it gets pressed into the steel a bit more. i am not a believer in chalk pentagrams thats just nonsense, however i only break in a barrel on the summer solstice withnaked virgins dancing in circles. with mistletoe in thier hair. In the english tradition.
 
I'm a charter member of the Don't Bother crowd.
Not just you and me, but renowned gunsmith Gale McMillan was also a charter member. Some of his comments about barrel break-in:

The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000 rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in

More is here: http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn.asp

At best, the only thing these supposed break-in procedures do is use up barrel life. Completely pointless waste of time.
 
USSR said,

"Well, here it is, July's barrel breakin post. This has been done to death. Search is your friend."

Don

Don,
I can see why your post count is high. You must relish crapping on threads. How is one going to get impressions from others about what a smith said by using the search? Why waste your time replying to a thread if it is beneath your THR stature. If you feel it's been done to death, ignore it and move on!:neener:

I'll promise to never ask about barrel break in again, if you promise to lighten up. Deal?

Have a great Day!
 
DWH, you're fairly new, so you're probably not aware that this question arises fairly frequently with new shooters.

"Break-in" was unheard of before the coming of the Internet. I started messing with centerfire rifles in 1950. I was helped in my early years by my uncle--who had been gunsmithing since the 1920s.

We just bought rifles, did an intitial cleaning, and went out and shot.

And way back then, we were getting sub-MOA groups with amazing regularity.

Modern tooling is far more precise than what was available fifty and seventy years ago. I maintain that there is much less need now for all this worrying about a rough surface inside a barrel than there was back then--and back then, it was no problem.

Art
 
Don,
I guess the deal is off!
Yeah...we who are new here, with low post counts, are all un-intelligent morons who haven't mastered the art of purposeful thread replies as well as you! Thanx for being a great mentor! :neener:

I was just asking for comments on what the smith said. I don't see as how "search is your friend" applies.

Art,
I know that this is a subject that comes up often, and I appreciate your tact and understanding. Didn't mean to pile on, but I found it interesting that this smith, who is a Southern California authorized assault weapon dealer and repairer, would whole-heartedly ascribe to a practice many call a hoax.

Thanx for most of the replies.
Please forgive me for wasting THRs bandwidth.
 
I heard of this thing, im not totally sure if it exists, its called the search feature, I know, i was sceptical at first too. You enter a keyword of what you want and BOOM! thousands of threads and posts come flying up right to you! Easy huh, yeah.

Kidding aside, this topic has been discussed to death. I personally believe its a big hoax, even if i did break in a barrel, it would still shoot better than I could make it.
 
Why are we Here ?

Hey There:
Slow down on the name slinging and get back to the point. The guy asked a question and that is why we are here. To give "HIM" an answer. Not to bash each other. United we stand divided we fall.

I stated it earlier. I do not buy into barrel break in. But if some one else does that is fine and he may do as he wants with his gun. No right or wrong about it. IMO it is a waste of time but , no matter , still not doing anything wrong.

And ya we have chewed on barrel life many times, but maybe he was not involved. Or just got here. I see some here swear by barrel break in and some don't . But I'm not about to argue with a guy that wants to do it. My rifles have shot very well from new with no break in. They get a good break in by developing the right load on the bench. Nothing else would ever be needed.

I tested many different loads to get to 1/4 min. groups and the barrels were well broke in by that time.
Hope all of you have a good 4th.
 
DWH:

Use Robla Solo Mil or KG to get copper out. Its way more effective than Hoppes.
 
Will do Afy! My bottle of Hoppes solvent is almost empty. Thanx a bunch!
 
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