armoredman
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Make sure you keep a mini-cleaning kit in your BoB, or at the very least, a BoreSnake in one of your pouches.
Basic ammo load for SHTF
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Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Have 10,000 primers
20 lbs of powder
5000 .22LR
500 various 12ga loads
In the process of assembling: All on a single stage press--very time consuming--not to mention 2 girlfriends
and 3 kids.
300 .270
1000 .223
500 9mm
Will be buying more primers and powder after the Christmas money crunch is over.
I would submit a stainless Mini-14 or a stainless bolt action would be the ideal weapon of choice.
20 lbs of powder
5000 .22LR
500 various 12ga loads
In the process of assembling: All on a single stage press--very time consuming--not to mention 2 girlfriends
and 3 kids.300 .270
1000 .223
500 9mm
Will be buying more primers and powder after the Christmas money crunch is over.
I would submit a stainless Mini-14 or a stainless bolt action would be the ideal weapon of choice.
jakemccoy
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How does an AR-15 function after debris and dust from a crumbling building fall on it? Or how about if you drop it in dirty water? Those are realistic scenarios if we're talking about STHF, right?
I'm not arguing or trying to see who's packing the biggest Johnson. I just want unemotional information.
I think my Glock, AK (Saiga) or 870 would function OK after quickly removing some debris. I haven't tested them though. Maybe I should.
I'm not arguing or trying to see who's packing the biggest Johnson. I just want unemotional information.
I think my Glock, AK (Saiga) or 870 would function OK after quickly removing some debris. I haven't tested them though. Maybe I should.
Gunnerpalace
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I hate to break it to the guys with over 10,000rds of one caliber, If your plan is to hold off the .gov from taking your guns, they will just seal off the block and drop a JDAM on you.
Now in the "US is now a 3rd world slum similar to Iam Legend without the zombies" scenario you would be more apt to have that much ammo.
Now in the "US is now a 3rd world slum similar to Iam Legend without the zombies" scenario you would be more apt to have that much ammo.
BADUNAME37
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Sheesh,
just keep a can or two of aerosol brake cleaner.
I would think if you just sprayed the AR inside and out with that, it would clean the gun to be able to shoot another 2,000 rounds.
NO?
just keep a can or two of aerosol brake cleaner.
I would think if you just sprayed the AR inside and out with that, it would clean the gun to be able to shoot another 2,000 rounds.
NO?
Roadwild17
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I have what I feel is plenty. For SHTF, I have more than I will need& more than I can carry. Im not quiet set up got yhe .gov bans and all, but Im getting there.
Darth AkSarBen
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I reload, so I need powder, primers and some bullets. As far as what I consider necessary, a good Stainless Steel Ruger 10/22 with a few magazine, and 1000 or so round of .22 will keep you in food providing you are a good hunter. I was raised in the country, so to me it is different than say someone that was raised and lives in Chicago.
I have a feeling that Some folks here might need to research what has happened in Real Civil wars, Uprisings, and revolutions in the last 20 years... Youtube will probably wake you up. It's Nasty, and there is a TON of ammo expended. If you want to be Prepared... Do your research and PREPARE... not convince yourself it can't happen, or 73 rounds will be enough. We all hope we Never need any of it, but reality says.. We will
Big Matt
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I am with Treo (post #5). And I seriously doubt my own ability to carry thousands of rounds, several rifles, and 2-3 handguns.
However, I AM currently buying as much ammo as I can afford for ALL of my guns just to hedge my bets against any of the BHO scary tales like 500% taxes, ammo bans, etc. As I may have mentioned in a previous thread about the "ammo can round count," I am stocking 30 cal ammo cans with 8mm, 7.62X39, .30-06, 8X56R, 12 gauge, 22LR, .38 spl/.357 mag, .30-30, .243, etc, etc
I know I will never be able to employ even what I already have; but am trying to continually acquire, in effect a "lifetime supply" simply in case we ever have a "REAL" ammo shortage. I'm not talking about the current ammo shortage, ie higher prices or limited selection; I mean there is NO ammo anywhere, for any price, at all, ever. That's my fear and (if you excuse my tin foil hat for a second) it IS entirely possible.
Even if you reload, you better have a good supply of powder, primers, bullets, and brass, because those "hazardous materials" can be regulated/banned/priced out of existance just as easy as anything else.
However, I AM currently buying as much ammo as I can afford for ALL of my guns just to hedge my bets against any of the BHO scary tales like 500% taxes, ammo bans, etc. As I may have mentioned in a previous thread about the "ammo can round count," I am stocking 30 cal ammo cans with 8mm, 7.62X39, .30-06, 8X56R, 12 gauge, 22LR, .38 spl/.357 mag, .30-30, .243, etc, etc
I know I will never be able to employ even what I already have; but am trying to continually acquire, in effect a "lifetime supply" simply in case we ever have a "REAL" ammo shortage. I'm not talking about the current ammo shortage, ie higher prices or limited selection; I mean there is NO ammo anywhere, for any price, at all, ever. That's my fear and (if you excuse my tin foil hat for a second) it IS entirely possible.
Even if you reload, you better have a good supply of powder, primers, bullets, and brass, because those "hazardous materials" can be regulated/banned/priced out of existance just as easy as anything else.
FWIW, I've seen the AR platform take some fairly nasty abuse and keep running fine.
I knew a guy back in my Army days who used his M-16 as a picket-pounder.
The rifle worked fine after that.
(Unfortunately, someone video-taped him practicing his butt-stroke. The First Sergeant was NOT FREAKIN' HAPPY!)
On a couple of night fire exercises I saw our entire company run through on just a couple rifles. It saved everyone having to clean their rifles later. The result was thousands of rounds run through M-16's in the course of a couple hours as a bunch of tired soldiers who only wanted to go to bed strapped on their NVG's and emptied three full magazines at the targets just about as quickly as they could. I don't recall a single failure from any rifle during any of those exercises.
The only malfunctions I did see with M-16's was when something was worn or broken and that's going to cause an issue with any rifle.
I knew a guy back in my Army days who used his M-16 as a picket-pounder.
The rifle worked fine after that.
(Unfortunately, someone video-taped him practicing his butt-stroke. The First Sergeant was NOT FREAKIN' HAPPY!)
On a couple of night fire exercises I saw our entire company run through on just a couple rifles. It saved everyone having to clean their rifles later. The result was thousands of rounds run through M-16's in the course of a couple hours as a bunch of tired soldiers who only wanted to go to bed strapped on their NVG's and emptied three full magazines at the targets just about as quickly as they could. I don't recall a single failure from any rifle during any of those exercises.
The only malfunctions I did see with M-16's was when something was worn or broken and that's going to cause an issue with any rifle.
If something like the scenario being discussed really happened, it is more than likelly that there would be larger groups of folks that band together. The likellyhood of direct engagement against a well armed group is a dead end. You should align yourself with a group of people that you can work with, and fortify an area, with several fallback positions and rely more on precision tactics to stem an advance into your main fortification. Probing ops at night and scouts that keep an eye in constant rotation of the surrounding area. Working alone is just a recipe for a short lived situation, as you will be overun by sheer numbers if the situation deteriorates to the point that most of you are looking at. I would think that 5, 10 man groups with 2 or 3 shifts would be a good place to start. Or else kind of a commune with good fortification kind of like the afganistan positions that we have such a tough time with, places where a half dozen well armed men and woman can defend that are too dificult to mount an offensive strike on without air support. One or two familys are going to get run over if the hoards leave the cities and seek shelter in the more desolate areas. Just my 2 cents
Well, you know during the great depression of the 30's people didn't go around killing people. There were many hungry, even starving people with bread lines in every city, but people weren't robbing their neighbors.
If you were a farmer somebody might sneak into your garden after dark and take enough for a meal, but most often those folks would ask to do some work in return for a meal.
Just because the economic system was totally broke and most folks had lost everything they had didn't mean that the people became looters and predators. Social scientists would tell us that we are more civilized as a people today. We are a kinder, gentler, softer, folk than we were 75 years ago. We didn't revert to an animal mentality then, why would we do so now?
There were hobo jungles or Hoovervilles outside or on the edges of most cities filled with the hungry and homeless and if they became a nuisance the police would go out and bust a few heads and burn the shanties down. But there was none of the murder and mayhem anticipated by the posters on this thread.
So what makes you think people will lose their humanity if the SHTF again? Don't you think we would be more likely to be helping one another rather than killing one another?
If you were a farmer somebody might sneak into your garden after dark and take enough for a meal, but most often those folks would ask to do some work in return for a meal.
Just because the economic system was totally broke and most folks had lost everything they had didn't mean that the people became looters and predators. Social scientists would tell us that we are more civilized as a people today. We are a kinder, gentler, softer, folk than we were 75 years ago. We didn't revert to an animal mentality then, why would we do so now?
There were hobo jungles or Hoovervilles outside or on the edges of most cities filled with the hungry and homeless and if they became a nuisance the police would go out and bust a few heads and burn the shanties down. But there was none of the murder and mayhem anticipated by the posters on this thread.
So what makes you think people will lose their humanity if the SHTF again? Don't you think we would be more likely to be helping one another rather than killing one another?
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Owlhoot this is not the 1930s when even the mob had some code of ethics. Have you forgot about Katrina were a mere couple of days turned the population into animals. The Rodney King Riots because a sector of the population felt disinfranchised by a jury so the killed and plundered while burning down their own town.
I don't know that people are more f'd up now or just more of them but I think we live in different times for sure.
I don't know that people are more f'd up now or just more of them but I think we live in different times for sure.
You can NOT compare the USA in 2008 to the 30's lol... were predominantly Citidiots now, People that simply do Not have the skills to survive in the real world if the grocery store closes. Of course the people in Rural areas will be much better off.. for the first week or 2, then the Citidiots will come looking for food, Mobs of them.
Might I suggest reading this excerpt from a book that will be released soon. The first 2 in the series are VERY good also.
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/FESP.htm
Might I suggest reading this excerpt from a book that will be released soon. The first 2 in the series are VERY good also.
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/FESP.htm
mindwip
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Lets see i just spent over $700 in ammo to what i had in stock so...
7000 of .22 it was cheap
900 of 7.62 X54r
2,500 of 9mm
100 of 30 cal soon to be 600
600 of 380
1,200 of 30-06
i have a lot of what i shoot the most, dont like having to stop at the store be fore i go to the range this solves the problem.
If i had to evac my house i am taking my 380 pistol and .22 rifle. Its light and enough for surviving. I have no grand dreams of carrying all that ammo!
7000 of .22 it was cheap
900 of 7.62 X54r
2,500 of 9mm
100 of 30 cal soon to be 600
600 of 380
1,200 of 30-06
i have a lot of what i shoot the most, dont like having to stop at the store be fore i go to the range this solves the problem.
If i had to evac my house i am taking my 380 pistol and .22 rifle. Its light and enough for surviving. I have no grand dreams of carrying all that ammo!
jakemccoy
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owlhoot said:
The stampede at that Walmart on Black Friday was a bit of an eye-opener of where we are as a society. You can call it an isolated incident, but I think doing so would be denial. I'm not sure if such a stampede would have happened in the Great Depression era.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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It would be prudent to prepare for a civil war---not just an economic downturn---the gov't has seriously disaffected the majority of the population---what's coming will be the final straw.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
If we go into a depression, ammo will come in handy. If we escape with a deflationary dip, hyperinflation follows and quite likely citizen-disarmament measures by Obama and his Politburo -- cheaper to buy now, and it's still available.
Especially if scarcity is imposed by socialist legislation, as an investment ammo will probably do better than gold a few years down the road.
Especially if scarcity is imposed by socialist legislation, as an investment ammo will probably do better than gold a few years down the road.
That's Easy... they were called FAILURES ! Failures that left Many Many American Soldiers Dead and injured because of a malfunctioning weapon... Failures that had the military scrambling to keep changing the guns.M-16, M-16a1, A2, A3, A4, M4 Etc Etc.. Constant "Upgrades" that 53 years later has Finally got them serious about finding a NEW weapon design. Don't drink to much of the koolaid... the Facts are the Facts bro.
The AR Family are good Shooters, until you Need them. the Gas impingement system dumping everything into the action is not now nore will it ever be Reliable in a harsh environment.. Period.
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mljdeckard
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My real world experience is quite different. Current gen M-4s are so reliable, they outlasted all other NATO 5.56 rifles in trials. The malfunctions only occurred when the army cut corners on the original specs from Stoner. You're a noob. It's not like we haven't beaten this dead horse to the bone already or anything like that. It doesn't matter to me if an AK runs longer in the dirt, because I'm going to clean my rifle as frequently as possible, no matter what it is.
And the military is FAR from serious about replacing it. Or rather, they have been seriously testing and evaluating to replace it for about 30 years. They haven't topped it yet. I'll be happily using one when I retire. (If I decide to stay in the military another 11 years.) It's such a failure we've been using it longer than any other rifle in the history of the U.S. military. I will still stock up for my AK, SKS, etc. as well.
It doesn't matter to me if an AK runs longer in the dirt, because I'm going to clean my rifle as frequently as possible, no matter what it is.And the military is FAR from serious about replacing it. Or rather, they have been seriously testing and evaluating to replace it for about 30 years. They haven't topped it yet. I'll be happily using one when I retire. (If I decide to stay in the military another 11 years.) It's such a failure we've been using it longer than any other rifle in the history of the U.S. military. I will still stock up for my AK, SKS, etc. as well.
Joe Demko
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10,000 rounds per man per weapon per day is an absolute minimum. Remember: TSHingTF is all about shooting people.
Pulse
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every Army claims that of there current issued Rifle.
hell, the Brits even said that about the SA80A1 and still claim it for the SA80A2.
sadly, i have yet to see a conclusive test of a broad aray of military issued firearms that goes above a single aspect of a weapon.
any pointers to the Trials you mentioned?
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