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I've been kicking the idea of reloading around for some time, and was wondering what the minimum it would cost to get started?

I figure I will need a couple of good manuals, powder measure, and a press (I know there's more but I don't have my list with me). 9mm, 7 mm Rem Mag, 12 ga., 30-30, and .223.

I tried reading up on it but there's so much info out there I get overwhelmed and lose track of what I really need vs what's nice to have.
 
Generally, you will need a shot gun loader for 12 ga and a metallic cartridge loading set up for the rest.

There were shot shell dues available at one time for a merallic press but I am not sure any one manufactures them any more. If they did, a standard press with a 7/8-14 die thread may be too small for 12 ga so one of the presses with larger die threads would be in order.

That said, a MEC 600jr is a good shot shell press for moderate shooting. They run in the $150-$200 new. If you shoot lots of 12 ga, the sky is the limit with progressive presses.

For metallic cartridges, many of the companies sell kits and that would give you good base line. Lots of options on the way to go from there.
 
If you just want minimum cost, get a Lee set and a hammer and go to it. I haven't bought one in many years, but they are probably still about $20. They used to make them for shotgun calibers, too.
 
HEHEHEHEHeeeee! Well welcome to the fold. You may "start" for around $500, but that will get you a Lee Classic Loader, maybe 2 die sets 9mm and one other. primers, powder, brass, projectiles, et al

Then it gets real good! This is what happened with me. I started LCLoader, 9mm and learned how to load.

Then I drank the Blue kool aid, Dillon 650xl! I now load 9mm&.45. I have a friend who wants me to load 7mm Rem Magnums for him. I told him what he needed just for that, dies, brass, powder, primers, and projectiles.

Once you get the initial setup your good to go. i get almost all my brass free from my indoor local range, have a good supply of powder, primers, etc

Not to mention the trimmers and what not for the rifle calibers.

Its kinda like going to the mechanic and saying, "I want my Challenger to go faster!" He says, "You can go as fast as your wallet will let you!"

enjoy and

be safe.
 
Sauer1911 brings up a good point. My estimation will get you in the door enough to hook you line and sinker. Lol

Then you get the niceties and "must haves". Lol

Oh, then you just must try a different powder or 6. Lol. It's never ending. Lol
 
I would focus on the 9mm to learn on, then 12gauge. The rifle calibers will fall into place after the learning curve of the 9mm.

There will be one, a learning curve that is, you'll get squibs by not loading powder and then you get a bullet stuck in the barrel, or primers backwards in the brass, primers that dont seat all the way in, etc, etc, etc.

Then one day after you have appeased the reloading gods, it will all work.

PATIENCE IS THE KEY. ONE STEP AT A TIME. ASK MORE QUESTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG. DONT TRY TO DO ALL THE CALIBERS AT THE SAME TIME. START WITH THE 9MM AND S L O W L Y work up from there.

be safe
 
I bought the RCBS Rock Chucker kit which got me going and taught me a lot. Very quickly added extra's like a better scale, tumbler etc'.

Couple of years later I now have 3 progressive presses, 2 Lee Pro1000's and just recently added a reloading system that a buddy was selling. Got a Hornady LNL AP in that deal. Added extra dies and parts for the reloading room.

What started with a $300 investment has now grown a lot. Buy yourself a entry level kit and learn the basics of reloading first then see were it goes.
 
If you use Lee products, you can get started with about 200$ or less. Excluding powder, primers, shot, and bullets. The Lee anniversary kit MSRP = 128.00$ and the Lee Load-All for shotgun shells = ~58 $. Dies for pistol and rifle cartridges would be extra.
 
As sauer1911 said, start on the 9's. They're better to learn on, more forgiving...as long as you can find suitable pistol powder.

Yes, several reloading manuals is good. Some are tailored to their products, but they still have invaluable information in them.

Lots of good help here on this forum too! :)
 
I started reloading in 1963 with a used $25.00 Hollywood press, with a set of Hollywood .30-06 dies. Now I could probably buy another house for the investment I've got in reloading/casting equipment. That one press turned into eight presses, two of which are progressives, a couple are dedicated to bullet swaging, plus a commercial bullet casting setup, and I'm now loading 31 different calibers. One of these days I'll start the 12 step program for reloaders..........., but not quite yet.

Hope this helps.

Fred

PS: I still have that original used Hollywood press, and it's not for sale!
 
I've been kicking the idea of reloading around for some time, and was wondering what the minimum it would cost to get started?

I figure I will need a couple of good manuals, powder measure, and a press (I know there's more but I don't have my list with me). 9mm, 7 mm Rem Mag, 12 ga., 30-30, and .223.

I tried reading up on it but there's so much info out there I get overwhelmed and lose track of what I really need vs what's nice to have.
Thank for asking our advice.

As cfullgraf posted, a shotshell loader will be needed for the shotgun ammunition. A shotshell loader is not capable of loading metallic cartridges.

A press is needed for loading metallic cartridges (if you don't count the mallet-driven Lee Classic Loader).

I recently repopulated my entire loading bench with everything I need to load .357 Mag, 44 Mag, 9mm, 45 ACP and 45 Colt/454Casull for well under $600

Aside from eye protection and manuals, you only need three things (physically) to load good ammo.

However, you also need loading data, knowledge, caution and wisdom. Wisdom is the hardest to come by, though. At a bare minimum, You need 3 tools, without which it is physically impossible to load, but unwise until you also have some good judgement. You know where good judgement comes from? Good judgement comes from bad experiences. You know where bad experience comes from? Bad judgement. The wise man learns from his experience. The TRULY wise man learns from the experiences of others. So, read manuals and threads and talk to experienced loaders wherever you can.

Here are the 3 things.

Press because fingers are not strong enough to form metal
Dies because fingers are not accurate enough to form metal to SAAMI specs
Scale (or calibrated dippers) because eyeballs are not accurate enough to measure out gunpowder

Everything else can be done without, substituted for or improvised until you can afford to buy good quality gear.

Even the cheapest press will be multiple times faster, quieter and more convenient than the Lee mallet-powered kit (as good as it is, it compromises your ability to produce large quantities).

I will make a sample shopping list in my next post

Lost Sheep.
 
Aside from eye protection and manuals, you only need three things (physically) to load good ammo.

Press because fingers are not strong enough to form metal
Dies because fingers are neither strong enough nor accurate enough to form metal to SAAMI specs
Scale (or calibrated dippers) because eyeballs are not accurate enough to measure out gunpowder

Everything else can be done without, substituted for or improvised until you can afford to buy good quality gear.


1 Manual(s) Lots of manuals. Borrow from the Library, Buy from used book stores. Age does not matter at this point. You are interested in the early chapters of the manuals, not the loading data. Read the instructions for the fundamentals. "ABCs of Reloading" and the Lyman Reloading Manuals are always mentioned. Lee's "Modern Reloading", too. The early chapters of almost all manuals are devoted to the "How-To" steps, but each author/set of editors write or with different "voices" and emphasize different parts of the loading procedures. Expose yourself to a variety to get a well-rounded overview. At least one must be of recent vintage (at least new as the powder you intend to use).

Load recipes are available from the internet, but be wary of casual sources. Rely on the web sites of the powder manufacturers, bullet makers and loading equipment makers. Compare any casual source recipes to those more authoritative sources. ALWAYS get data from at least two authoritative sources to guard against (the rare, but possible) typographical errors.

2 safety glasses No explanation needed here, hopefully. Wear then EVERY TIME you load, ALL THE TIME especially when working with primers. Use your shooting glasses if you must, but get a set you keep permanently with your loading gear so you will never be tempted to do without.

3 Press Get one that mounts to a bench. Hand-helds are good, but mounted solid is easier to use. Does not have to bolted to the "center of the earth" (I used one bolted to a 2x6 board wedged in an end-table drawer for a long time) but held steady is convenient. I still use that same 2x6, but now it's clamped in a folding, portable workbench. (You generally get what you pay for, but even the cheap ones will work for decades.) Presses come in three basic types, single stage, turret and progressive. Simpler is easier to learn on, but there is little difference in the learning curve between single stage and turret. Progressive is more complex.

4 Dies with shell holder Tungsten Carbide (for straight-walled cases, primarily pistols)

5 powder/bullet scale (you will want to weigh your powder charges, for assurance and safety.)

6 priming tool (or use the one that may or may not come as part of or with the press)

7 Calipers to measure the dimensions of your ammunition and components.

Optional items that make life easier

8 A way to mete powder faster/more conveniently than weighing each and every charge. Homemade scoop or Lee powder dipper are cheaper than a powder thrower and in my opinion, just as good, but marginally slower.

9 Powder trickler (an empty rifle casing twirled between your fingers or a chemist's spatula or even a butterknife can do). For making small adjustments in powder charge in the scale. The spatula can remove as well as add, but the twirled casing so SOOO easy.

10 Funnel for getting the powder into the cartridge case without spillage. Use your fingers, a folded/rolled paper if necessary.

11 loading block to hold one box's worth of cartridge cases. Get two, they are cheap. Move the shells from one to the other as you progress through a box of ammo and (primary function) keep you from knocking over a case (or a bunch) already charged with powder. Also, with a batch of cases charged with powder, you can visually check multiple powder levels simultaneously-a safety feature.

12 If loading cartridges which need lubrication, a lube pad and some rags (or a supply of paper towels) is a good idea, but you can get away with a spray lube or applying a solid lube (Imperial Die Wax) with your fingers if you are so inclined.

13 bullet puller

other stuff, these are mostly valuable for rifle cartridges.

Deburring tool - if you don't get the Lyman trimmer and it's tools, get a Lyman or RCBS type deburr tool.

Case lube - Imperial Die Wax, finger applied for rifle cases. Hornady 1-Shot for pistol cases.

Caliper (mentioned above, but here is more detail) - Dial or vernier, but get one that is accurate to 0.001". Harbor Freight tools sell some for as little as $15-$20, MidwayUSA sells them pretty cheap too. I recommend the mechanical type, not the digital. Digitals are no more accurate, perhaps a little less and they won't work without good batteries. That can be a hassle when you want to use it NOW!

You really need something to keep track of case stretching/trimming and, to some degree, OAL length of your loaded ammo. A caliper does both jobs very well, but you may not need it until after you have some brass that has gone through multiple loadings.

OAL and Case Length Gage system - You can get by without these but, if you want them, get the Hornady tools for best versatility But you MUST have a caliper to use them on!

17. Brass cleaner. (tumbler) If you want pretty brass. I went without one for decades. Now I have one. My brass is prettier, but shoots just the same. Wiping down is all I ever used to do. Now I vibrate them clean. A vibratory or rotating case cleaner/tumbler will do - There is little practical difference in any of them. And use either walnut or cob media, both work fine, there is no practical difference at all.

IF you want shiny brass use any inexpensive auto polish - add a cap full at a time when you need it - instead of the much more expensive branded types. It's all the same stuff anyway. Nu-Finish is very popular. Avoid any polish that includes ammonia, which weakens brass.
 
Last one tonight: 10 Advices for the Novice Loader

10 Advices for the novice loader

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universally mentioned, so I put together this list of 10 advices.


Much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".


So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 500 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.


When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. My setup was simple. A set of dies, a press, a 2" x 6" plank, some carriage bolts and wing nuts, a scale, two loading blocks. I just mounted the press on the plank wedged into the drawer of an end table. I did not use a loading bench at all.


It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly.


I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.


Now, here are my Ten Advices.


Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.


Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of (or any) money on equipment.


Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others. The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging.


I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Containing no loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.


There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started, but some are better than others. Filter all casual information through a "B.S." filter.


Only after you know the processing steps of loading can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack. If building your own kit from scratch, you will be better able to find the parts that will serve your into the future without having to do trade-ins.


Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?


Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Generally you get what you pay for and better equipment costs more. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon-blue, Lee-red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.


About brand loyalties, an example: Lee Precision makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker (though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes, as Lee has been an innovator both in price leadership which has introduced many to loading who might not otherwise have been able to start the hobby and in introduction of innovative features like their auto-advancing turret presses). But there are detractors who focus on Lee's cheapest offerings to paint even their extremely strong gear as inferior. My advice: Ignore the snobs.


On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.


On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.


Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy. Progressive, turret or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes? Don't get fancy.


While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a voluminous, "fluffy", powder that is, one that is easy to see that you have charged the case and which will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.


While learning, only perform one operation at a time. Whether you do the one operation 50 (or 20) times on a batch of cases before moving on to the next operation - "Batch Processing" or take one case through all the sequence of operations between empty case to finished cartridge - "Continuous Processing", sometimes known as "Sequential Processing", learn by performing only one operation at a time and concentrating on THAT OPERATION. On a single stage press or a turret press, this is the native way of operation. On a progressive press, the native operation is to perform multiple operations simultaneously. Don't do it. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.


Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.


On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.


Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.


Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.


Advice #4 Find a mentor.


There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technique BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")


I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.


After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.


Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, cleanliness


Your loading bench/room is tantamount to a factory floor. There is a whole profession devoted to industrial engineering, the art and science of production design. Your loading system (layout, process steps, quality control, safety measures, etc) deserves no less attention than that.

Place your scale where it is protected from drafts and vibration and is easy to read and operate. Place you components' supplies convenient to the hand that will place them into the operation and the receptacle(s) for interim or finished products, too. You can make a significant increase in safety and in speed, too, with well thought out design of your production layout, "A" to "Z", from the lighting to the dropcloth to the fire suppression scheme.


Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology


Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Ballistic testing has produced some new knowledge over the years and powder chemistry has changed over the years, too. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.


Read previous threads on reloading and watch videos available on the web. But be cautious. There is both good information and bad information found in casual sources, so see my advice #10.


Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)


When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying for features you don't need. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long."


Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride) rather than tool steel.

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.


Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.


Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?


Advice #10 Take all with a grain of salt.

Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and can easily hit "7" instead of "4" because they are next to each other on the keypad.


Good luck.


Lost Sheep
 
To get a MUCH better idea on what you need (or want), start with a good reloading manual!

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...edition-reloading-manual?cm_vc=ProductFinding

http://www.amazon.com/Lyman-49Th-Ed...8-1&keywords=Reloading+Handbook:+49th+Edition


Lyman's 49th Reloading Handbook (their current edition) will run you about $25 or so.
Or you can go to the local library & see if they have it.
I live in a small town (33,000) & they have one.

That will allow you to ask MUCH more pointed questions.

To start you can go everywhere from about less than $100 to well over $2,000 on up.

But start with a manual to figure out what you want & what questions to ask.
Besides every intelligent reloader knows you need multiple manuals for best results. :rolleyes:
 
I would forget loading shotgun shells as the cost of lead shot has driven up prices to the point that it may be cheaper to go to walmart and buy factory rounds.
 
Welcome!:) I started with a RCBS Partner press and a few sets dies I found on Craigs list for $100. Still use that press for my rifle loads. If your not in a rush and money is an object look around a few places for used items. Just keep reading as you collect the tools you need. Good luck.
 
I'm only loading one caliber right now but started out around $250.

I bought a tumbler kit from Cabelas for 75 and ran all the brass through for a quick cleaning. Next was the Lee hand press kit for $50 and the 4 die 9mm set for $50 then Lees little scale for $25. I already had a caliper so I didn't factor that into the cost. Then a few small things such as a loading block, hand trimmer, primer pocket cleaner, etc.

The hand press is not the fastest but I'll grab a tub of brass and deprime a bunch while sitting on the couch with the wife watching TV after the kids are in bed.
 
You don't HAVE to accumulate several presses, lots of partially used powder, etc.
As a confirmed tightwad I have accumulated, since the late 60's, a single stage press, a Lee Classic Turret, and a Hornady LnL AP, and the dies needed for reloading the handgun cartridges for the calibers I have.
You also do not have to load squib rounds, get bullets stuck in the barrel, or get primers in backward. I have never did any of those, that got off my reloading bench.
Studying what you want to do, taking care while you are doing it, and inspecting the results will pretty much let you produce safe ammo. (Plan, do, and review.)
You are in charge of your reloading.
As Lost Sheep has posted above you can acquire very good equipment at a reasonable cost.
 
Lee kits are good but I would pay a bit more for the rcbs kit. The dies are slightly better and the press is significantly stronger. It adds a little coin up front but you will be glad you spent it. The big thing in getting into reloading though is to find a reloaded to learn from. These guys with years of experience often have used stuff that they will sell dirt cheap or give away. In fact I have 2 extra presses right now, one for each of my buddies who are starting to question a lot about reloading. (My 44 mag cutting 1 inch ragged holes this weekend at 30 yds helped them start questioning) but that just gets them started. From that point on they have to find a scale, dies, and calipers. Load blocks around here come in the form of plastic trays from factory ammo, and I have a few to spare should they be needed. Dies run 25-30 used or 50ish new. Scales and calipers are harbor freight specials at another 40 bucks. There's plenty online data to use so we can skip manuals or borrow mine and copy pages as needed. So my friends will get into a single stage setup for basically a hundred bucks plus components. Find a loader to learn from and hopefully he will set you up like I am my friends.
 
Lee kits are good but I would pay a bit more for the rcbs kit. The dies are slightly better and the press is significantly stronger.

Serious question, not starting a Ford/Chevy war, but how'd you come to this conclusion?

My experience w/dies has been that the Lee dies are as good as RCBS, but quite a bit less expensive. Same with the classic cast Lee presses.
 
The classic cast is a great press but the challenger is weak. I have personally broken a cheapo Lee press trying to clear a stuck shell. I have never seen or heard of such with rcbs tools. With the dies, realistically they are about the same but Lee's collet type primer pin can be a huge pain if you encounter thick brass. Rcbs threads the primer pin in and that eliminates the issue...which is why I said slightly. That truly is an opinion and should have been more clearly presented as opinion than as fact.
 
Honestly, I think $500 or more is way past getting started and way into a comfortable setup. You can use a Lee hand press for pistol cartridges, and wait for a good deal on a used RCBS.


How you figure?

1000 9mm Berrys bullets $90
1000 CCI 500 (where I'm at) $35
Powder Titegroup (local price) $25
1000 9mm once fired $30 (not including shipping cost)
Total $185

Manual x2 $50
Hornady dies (it's just what I use) $40

Total now $275

Only leaves about $225. You'd have to go with Lee.

Rifle is going to be even more on the listed above as far as bullets and brass.
 
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