BATFE issues new reg in Nevada

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I'm not sure how many Nevada CFP holders are here on THR, but you need to know that as of 7-1-08 your ability to use your CFP to avoid paying for a NICS/Brady background check will no longer be an option.

BATFE has issued a letter to all Nevada FFL's saying that since legislation was not passed in 2007 (!) to make Nevada laws compliant with BATFE's rules, they will no longer accept the Nevada background check in lieu of NICS.

Read all about it, and more, at: SECTION 11
 
I read about this a few days ago and am not happy we have to go through this again.The last time IIRC was from 10/06 to 1/07 and I hope the Legislature gets off their butts and does something!
 
Valkman: Even if the legislature takes action, it won't be until February 2009. The earliest that we ususally see laws go into effect is Jun 1st. So it's probably going to be at least 11 months before this will change if we have to deal with it legislatively.
 
Not sure what's going on in Nevada, but here in Texas we don't pay for the call to NICS. Are you referring to some state fee?
 
As much as I hate the IRS as it exists, I do grudgingly see a purpose for such an agency, in regards to /lawful/ taxation.


The ATF on the other hand, has no purpose. It should be disbanded, and if the funding must go to federal law enforcement, send it to the FBI. For all they do, they actually DO manage to serve the people, unlike the ATF.
 
Found this at the BATFE site in the Firearm FAQ's

(P7) Is there a charge for NICS checks? [Back]

The FBI does not charge a fee for conducting NICS checks. However, States that act as points of contact for NICS checks may charge a fee consistent with State law.
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So if a state has a processing center (like Georgia) that the FFL's call into and that center connects to the FBI system, the state can charge a fee. FFL's that go through the FBI's National system aren't charged a fee.

So basicly, Nevada will be charging the fee to fund the red-tape that the state wants to put in place for some reason. The only legitimate reason I can see a state wanting to do this is to speed up the data transfer process. Felons get filtered into a state system faster than the federal system. Appeals usually go faster too. The state needs money to fund the middle-men, so they charge the FFL a fee. Their system links into the FBI system, completing the red-tape. :banghead:

Eliminate the middle-men, you get a better price.
 
. . . they actually DO manage to serve the people, unlike the ATF.
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I'll have to disagree there. I've seen the ATF work to serve the greater good for the people of this country by putting dangerous criminals in prison.

Want some examples?

http://www.atf.gov/about/snapshot2008.htm
"The Violent Crime Impact Team (VCIT) initiative pursues violent criminals and reduces occurrences of firearms-related violent crime through geographic targeting and proactive investigation and prosecution. Multiagency enforcement teams identify, target, disrupt, arrest, and prosecute the “worst of the worst” criminals. These efforts produce long-term reductions in firearms violence. Since its launch in 2004, VCIT partners have arrested approximately 14,000 violent criminals and recovered approximately 17,000 firearms. There are currently 31 VCIT cities throughout the United States."

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/052808lou_lexingtonarsonist-sentenced.pdf
"Lexington Man Sentenced to 66 Months and Must Pay
Nearly $1,000,000 in Restitution for Arson"

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/032108dal_armssmugglers-arrested.pdf
"ATF, ICE SPECIAL AGENTS ARREST
THREE MEN, SEIZE 24 WEAPONS
Joint Investigation Reveals Arms Traffickers Smuggled Weapons into Mexico"

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/021408sf_man-sentenced.pdf
"MAN SENTENCED TO NINE YEARS IN PRISON FOR SELLING PIPE BOMBS"

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/020108dal_escapedinmateswife-sentenced.htm
"WIFE OF ESCAPED HOOD COUNTY INMATE SENTENCED TO EIGHT YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR PROVIDING HANDGUN TO HER HUSBAND AFTER HIS ESCAPE"

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/013008dal_dallasman-sentenced.pdf
"DALLAS MAN SENTENCED TO EIGHT YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON,
WITHOUT PAROLE, FOR DRUG AND FIREARMS CONVICTIONS"
 
I'll have to disagree there. I've seen the ATF work to serve the greater good for the people of this country by putting dangerous criminals in prison.

Want some examples?
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Those examples only hold water if you believe that gun/explosive laws are constitutional to begin with...

What, in and of itself, makes a firearms or explosive dangerous or evil? That pipe-bomb example is perfect; if the guy uses it to kill someone, charge him with murder. If he doesnt use it for anything, or simply detonates it on his private property for his own amusement, where's the harm in that?
 
Those examples only hold water if you believe that gun/explosive laws are constitutional to begin with...
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So then take it out on the people that made those laws, not the ones that enforce them.
 
What, in and of itself, makes a firearms or explosive dangerous or evil? That pipe-bomb example is perfect; if the guy uses it to kill someone, charge him with murder. If he doesnt use it for anything, or simply detonates it on his private property for his own amusement, where's the harm in that?
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So you think that guy was just making pipe bombs to sell to "pipe bomb enthusiasts" and didn't think they were going to be used for violence? :rolleyes:
 
What, in and of itself, makes a firearms or explosive dangerous or evil? That pipe-bomb example is perfect; if the guy uses it to kill someone, charge him with murder. If he doesnt use it for anything, or simply detonates it on his private property for his own amusement, where's the harm in that?
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Grant, you might need to reread the link DMF posted: http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/field/021408sf_man-sentenced.pdf. This specific guy is charged with offering to make and sell several pipe bombs for the specific purpose of murdering other people. “The facts of this case are particularly reprehensible, in that the defendant initiated contact with the purchaser of the bombs, and was told that the buyer wished to obtain bombs capable of causing vehicles to explode with such force as to kill or seriously injure the occupants. ..."
 
I'm not sure how many Nevada CFP holders are here on THR, but you need to know that as of 7-1-08 your ability to use your CFP to avoid paying for a NICS/Brady background check will no longer be an option.
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Found out the hard way on the first...went and bought a new pistol and they 'told me this' (with some hesitation).I,at first,thought they were joking around,but alas its true.

An addition $25 each time...
 
GOOD, maybe this will start a debate where we can get rid of the unconstitutional fee in NV.

I'll have to disagree there. I've seen the ATF work to serve the greater good for the people of this country by putting dangerous criminals in prison.
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Yea because LOCAL police couldn't possibly investigate arson cases :rolleyes::rolleyes:

By the way, the federal government has ZERO policing authority. Zero. Zip. Nada. None. Nothing. Even IF the batFECES "served the greater good" by doing police work, it would still be extra-constitutional, and thus, very dangerous as well as illegal (assuming the constitution is still law).
 
So you think that guy was just making pipe bombs to sell to "pipe bomb enthusiasts" and didn't think they were going to be used for violence?
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So are we going to arrest the clerk behind the counter at 7-11 for selling a chilled beer to a guy that later kills someone in a DWI accident? We've all seen the single cans of beer on ice at convenience stores... you and I both know that nobody is buying those for any reason other than to drink while driving.

This specific guy is charged with offering to make and sell several pipe bombs for the specific purpose of murdering other people.
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If he actually knew the intent, he's guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Lock him up for that, not a this charge of dubious constitutionality.

All I'm saying is... punish acts, not inanimate objects.
 
The FBI does not charge a fee for conducting NICS checks. However, States that act as points of contact for NICS checks may charge a fee consistent with State law
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Maybe instead of gripping about the ATF, you guys should gripe to the Nevada state legislature?
 
Gunnerpalace,
Our state legislature here in NV only meets for about 4 month during every odd-numbered year. The earliest time frame for making a change to our state law wouldn’t even start until February ’09, unfortunately.
 
So if a state has a processing center (like Georgia) that the FFL's call into and that center connects to the FBI system, the state can charge a fee. FFL's that go through the FBI's National system aren't charged a fee.
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Georgia hasn't had a processing center in several years. Even with the back ground check fees the state center couldn't break even, so they closed it. We call into FBI NICS in WV like most other states now.
 
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