G33InMyPocket
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Is it legal to put a bayonet on a shotgun that doesn't have a lug? And if not, is there a universal lug that can be put on and where can ya get it?
Bayonet question
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Dave McCracken
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As far as I know, it's legal. It's also useless.
G33InMyPocket
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Well so aren't 8 ball valve stem covers, but that didn't stop me from putting them on there.
Preacherman
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You put 8 ball valve stem covers on a SHOTGUN??? This I gotta see... 
It's a diversity thing, espouse it, Preacherman!
BTW, this morning, my hyper-sniffer dog ferreted out the mole that had been tearing up my back yard. I found another use for a shotgun-mounted bayonet, but I feel the pics may be just a bit too graphic for a family-oriented forum...
BTW, this morning, my hyper-sniffer dog ferreted out the mole that had been tearing up my back yard. I found another use for a shotgun-mounted bayonet, but I feel the pics may be just a bit too graphic for a family-oriented forum...
Bayonet on a shotgun?
Hmmm...if you let the BG get that close and you hadn't already pulled the trigger, you deserve what you get. If the BG got that close and you had pulled the trigger and didn't incapacitate him...you deserve what you get. If it's just for "tactical"ness and coolness
, well, to each his own.
Hmmm...if you let the BG get that close and you hadn't already pulled the trigger, you deserve what you get. If the BG got that close and you had pulled the trigger and didn't incapacitate him...you deserve what you get. If it's just for "tactical"ness and coolness , well, to each his own.BlkHwk73, I'll of course defer to your infinite wisdom...
This Marine boarding party member was going for cool points, using his as-issued 870Mk1.
And a closer look at the front of a military 870Mk1:
Wanna know why that military 870 looks so odd in the front?
So while you're making pukey icons, there are at least some folks who feel that cold steel mounted to a shotgun serves a useful purpose. That was starting at about, oh, say, World War I, and continues to this day. The lower 870Mk1 is my HD shotgun, btw.
This Marine boarding party member was going for cool points, using his as-issued 870Mk1.
And a closer look at the front of a military 870Mk1:
Wanna know why that military 870 looks so odd in the front?
So while you're making pukey icons, there are at least some folks who feel that cold steel mounted to a shotgun serves a useful purpose. That was starting at about, oh, say, World War I, and continues to this day. The lower 870Mk1 is my HD shotgun, btw.
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Dave McCracken
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OK, guys....
Mount a bayonet on your shotgun of choice.
Zero your shotgun at 50 yards with your slug of choice.
Pitchfork your practice dummy of choice a few times.Put your back into it, as if you were terrified and chock full of adrenalin.
Check your zero.
Note that the slugs are now shooting to another Zip Code.
Sell the bayonet to someone you do not like. You may have to buy another barrel with the money.
Shotgun barrels are made of much thinner metal than is needed to maintain rigidity. Under that kind of stress, the barrels bend and stay bent.
As to why the Govt still issues bayonets, call it inertia spiced with ignorance.
Feel free to test YOUR shotgun using the above method.
Not mine....
Mount a bayonet on your shotgun of choice.
Zero your shotgun at 50 yards with your slug of choice.
Pitchfork your practice dummy of choice a few times.Put your back into it, as if you were terrified and chock full of adrenalin.
Check your zero.
Note that the slugs are now shooting to another Zip Code.
Sell the bayonet to someone you do not like. You may have to buy another barrel with the money.
Shotgun barrels are made of much thinner metal than is needed to maintain rigidity. Under that kind of stress, the barrels bend and stay bent.
As to why the Govt still issues bayonets, call it inertia spiced with ignorance.
Feel free to test YOUR shotgun using the above method.
Not mine....
No problem, Dave, I respect where you're coming from.
I planned on doing that after the bloody carnage in my back yard anyways. I always wondered if those Model 97's, Model 12's, 870Mk1's, and other issued scatterguns got their patterns boogered up by bayonet use. I figured there was a reason those military shotguns had such beefy bayonet attachments and barrel supports.
I planned on doing that after the bloody carnage in my back yard anyways. I always wondered if those Model 97's, Model 12's, 870Mk1's, and other issued scatterguns got their patterns boogered up by bayonet use. I figured there was a reason those military shotguns had such beefy bayonet attachments and barrel supports.
Anyone else notice that Marine is missing his front sight?
He's not missing just the front sight.
I can't see his sight leaf/blade on that rear 700-style ramp, either. I suppose the unit armorer took the rear sight off once the front sight fell out of it's dovetail, to keep the point of aim roughly the same? Maybe it's a new tactics thing.
I can't see his sight leaf/blade on that rear 700-style ramp, either. I suppose the unit armorer took the rear sight off once the front sight fell out of it's dovetail, to keep the point of aim roughly the same? Maybe it's a new tactics thing.
Dave McCracken
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98, IMO, the military really doesn't understand the shotgun, nor explores its potential fully.
And, a foot of sharp steel on a CQB weapon is a confidence builder. But for actual utility, IMO, not that much.
Someone told me decades ago they had seen an experimental combat shotgun at Aberdeen Proving Ground. A pump of unknown make, it had a full length rib connecting the barrel and magazine. Mayhap this was an effort to correct the prob.
As to said Gyrene,he's a member of a fire team.Betcha he's the door breacher. And, the close range and sudden scenarios he's equipped for probably do not need sights much.
If I ever get easy access to facilities where I can practice "Serious" shotgunning again, I'd like to time and score a few COFs with no bead, bead, and Peep sights to see if there's any practical difference inside 10 yards and outside 10 yards. Hunch is no, but it HAS to be tested.
And, a foot of sharp steel on a CQB weapon is a confidence builder. But for actual utility, IMO, not that much.
Someone told me decades ago they had seen an experimental combat shotgun at Aberdeen Proving Ground. A pump of unknown make, it had a full length rib connecting the barrel and magazine. Mayhap this was an effort to correct the prob.
As to said Gyrene,he's a member of a fire team.Betcha he's the door breacher. And, the close range and sudden scenarios he's equipped for probably do not need sights much.
If I ever get easy access to facilities where I can practice "Serious" shotgunning again, I'd like to time and score a few COFs with no bead, bead, and Peep sights to see if there's any practical difference inside 10 yards and outside 10 yards. Hunch is no, but it HAS to be tested.
Dave McCracken
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Probably, though I'm, loath to conduct any tests.
30 years ago during the Late Unpleasantness in South East Asia, the early M-16s had some bent barrels. The barrel was subsequently thickened to avoid this. Early M-16 barrels had at least twice the thickness of most shotgun barrels.
30 years ago during the Late Unpleasantness in South East Asia, the early M-16s had some bent barrels. The barrel was subsequently thickened to avoid this. Early M-16 barrels had at least twice the thickness of most shotgun barrels.
Mannlicher
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When I got my Model 97, it came with a canvas case, the bayonet, and several boxes of brass case 00 Buck. I have never had to use the bayonet, but its fun to have. My Mossberg 590 takes a M16 bayonet.
christophera
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First, what is the length of the shotty in the pic? Hard to tell from the angle.
Second, there is reason my buddy carries a Ka-Bar over there and it's not to open cans.
Third, Black Hawk said a certain number of things about missing and not pulling the trigger and such. To reiterate; if that happens, hit him with the large metal stick in your hands. There is a reason someone coined the phrase "Butt-stroke."
Second, there is reason my buddy carries a Ka-Bar over there and it's not to open cans.
Third, Black Hawk said a certain number of things about missing and not pulling the trigger and such. To reiterate; if that happens, hit him with the large metal stick in your hands. There is a reason someone coined the phrase "Butt-stroke."
scout26
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When I served in Uncle's big green machine, I was taught it was the weapon of last resort, for those time when you had more OPFOR than bullets.
For HD, it could an option, or it could be your final option, if you have more BG's/Zombies/charging Mastadons than shells.
It will definitely give the BG second thoughts about trying to grab it from you.......
While I agree with Dave, that using it will throw off the POI on any subsequent shots, if you ever have to use it you are waaaaay beyond the caring about using that barrel again. So if you ever have to resort to using it, at least you'll be there at the range to answer the "Why do you have a new barrel on your shotgun ?" queston.
I always defer to the "If it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid." theory.
For HD, it could an option, or it could be your final option, if you have more BG's/Zombies/charging Mastadons than shells.
It will definitely give the BG second thoughts about trying to grab it from you.......
While I agree with Dave, that using it will throw off the POI on any subsequent shots, if you ever have to use it you are waaaaay beyond the caring about using that barrel again. So if you ever have to resort to using it, at least you'll be there at the range to answer the "Why do you have a new barrel on your shotgun ?" queston.
I always defer to the "If it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid." theory.
Rob62
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I think that some of us don't fully understand the "Spirit of the Bayonet".
While many have taught or been taught in either the US Army or the USMC (Uncle Sams Misguided Children that the spirit of bayonet is to KILL, KILL, KILL, I have another idea.
The spirit of the bayonet is not about practicality. Its not about whether one should be mounted on a shotgun or rifle. It certainly is not about how effective one is mounted on either.
The spirit of the bayonet is about an ideology. That ideology is that I am here to stay, and will do whatever is necessary to take or hold this ground. Its much more symbolic than practical.
And to try to keep this thread on topic. Bayonets on SGs or rifles are about as practical as a long sharp stick IMHO.
Rob
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While many have taught or been taught in either the US Army or the USMC (Uncle Sams Misguided Children
that the spirit of bayonet is to KILL, KILL, KILL, I have another idea. The spirit of the bayonet is not about practicality. Its not about whether one should be mounted on a shotgun or rifle. It certainly is not about how effective one is mounted on either.
The spirit of the bayonet is about an ideology. That ideology is that I am here to stay, and will do whatever is necessary to take or hold this ground. Its much more symbolic than practical.
And to try to keep this thread on topic. Bayonets on SGs or rifles are about as practical as a long sharp stick IMHO.
Rob
"Cold Steel" Charlie, 2-1 INF
(sorry for the threadwander)
In addition to the bayo lug and sightless-rifle-sighted-barrel, our Marine appears to be running one of Sage International's telescoping stocks on his 870. Cool points? Off the charts:
http://sageinternationalltd.com/si/wepacc/wepacc.html
I'd always wondered how one achieves a solid cheek weld with those things. Apparently, one doesn't.
In addition to the bayo lug and sightless-rifle-sighted-barrel, our Marine appears to be running one of Sage International's telescoping stocks on his 870. Cool points? Off the charts:
http://sageinternationalltd.com/si/wepacc/wepacc.html
I'd always wondered how one achieves a solid cheek weld with those things. Apparently, one doesn't.
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