BBC does mostly positive article about shooting!

Status
Not open for further replies.

iapetus

Member
Joined
Dec 12, 2003
Messages
614
Location
UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5209632.stm

Britain's holiday camp with guns
By Finlo Rohrer
BBC News Magazine




Shooting has long had a difficult image in Britain. But that doesn't deter the hundreds of men, women and children who, every year, plan to spend their summer holidays on a huge rifle range, complete with chalets and caravans.


To set foot in Bisley, home to the National Shooting Centre, is to travel back in time. It resembles a holiday camp, with myriad caravans and tents, children playing, adults sitting in circles on canvas chairs. It could almost be Butlins, but for the constant crackle of gunfire in the background.

The nearby Surrey towns are sleepy commuterville. But here, between the neat brick gateposts, there is an altogether different world, where dead-eyed marksmen do battle. July marks a red-letter event in British rifle target shooting - the Queen's Prize - which draws 1,300 competitors from across the Commonwealth, who get to try their hand across a selection of rifle ranges.

Forget quaffing alcopops in Faliraki or braving the traffic to go to the West Country, there are hundreds of shooting enthusiasts who would rather spend a week's holiday doing what they love, and bring their families along with them.

Children's picnics

Bisley's managing director Jeremy Staples says children are happy to spend their time gambolling in the sunshine at the site, seemingly unperturbed by the nearby sound of gunfire.

"Children can't shoot, but they wander round, they ride bikes. Every Thursday, there is a group of about 50 people from grandchildren to old people who have a massive picnic."

The chalets and lodges dotted around the place have a look of the Empire. They resemble the kind of buildings where you might imagine splendid chaps gathering on the verandah for a sundowner in the beating heat of Rhodesia, rather than in the dappled sunshine of the home counties.

There are old red telephone boxes and old-fashioned gun shops preserved as if in aspic. Shooting has been going on here since the 19th Century, and many of the buildings were moved from the last Mecca of British shooting, at Wimbledon Common, in the 1890s. Everything harks back to a different era.

Peter Noss is typical of the "holidaymakers" at Bisley. He has travelled from Cologne to indulge his passion. Nicholas Batai, a member of the Kenyan Navy, has come further: from his home in the Rift Valley, for the fourth year, to enjoy the "atmosphere of friendship".

Furrowed brows

One thing that has not been frozen in time is the rifles themselves. They relate to an ordinary rifle in the same way a competition bow would to one of Robin Hood's armoury. They are strange looking contraptions of metal, wood and synthetic materials.

The mind boggles at the thought of hitting a bullseye on a target that is 900 yards, more than half a mile, away. But there's no room for doubt in the minds of competitors, who even seem immune to the heatwave, wearing tight-fitting shooting jackets, resembling the top half of motorcycle leathers. The jackets help hold them steady and allow them to distribute their weight properly. They lie prone, brows furrowed with concentration. A slight changeable breeze can be their undoing.


Colin Cheshire is a former captain of the Great Britain shooting team, and a secretary of the NRA. He has been coming to Bisley for 49 years, continuing even since his retirement and relocation to Cyprus.

Private schools have a big input into shooting, but Mr Cheshire emphasises the classlessness of Bisley. "You can have everyone from a peer of the realm to a local butcher," he says.

Shooters are also desperate to dispel the idea this is an inherently male pursuit, and there are plenty of female competitors walking around the site, although anyone passing the stall advertising "Big Boys Toys" might think otherwise.

Compared with other sports, shooting has a complex image, seen through strange prisms. The tightening of gun control laws after the Dunblane massacre carried out by Thomas Hamilton, a gun club member, has affected perception of the sport. And the British perception of America's gun culture also inevitably bleeds over.

But Mr Cheshire insists the image of shooting "is generally [dictated] by what the media chooses to perceive. If only the media were prepared to come here more often. You don't have accidents, you don't kill people, you shoot at targets."


Yet this is a sport that involves real guns and real ammunition. The 7.62mm rounds used in competition look similar to the untrained eye to those used in combat rifles like the AK-47. For those people who do not care to find out more about the sport, the shooting aficionados on their unusual holiday in Surrey could be dismissed as "gun nuts". And Bisley is after all the base of the National Rifle Association. Its US counterpart conjures up images of Charlton Heston inviting the authorities to take his rifle out of his cold, dead hand.

Bisley's faithful seem a lot less ardent. Remove the futuristic rifles and the participants appear utterly ordinary. These shooters could be viewed as part of a Great British tradition: that of the enthusiast. Whether it is collecting Elvis memorabilia, deep sea angling, trainspotting, or going to VW Beetle rallies, Britain is a nation that wears its hobbies on its sleeves.

Most of the shooters claim not be affected by what any outsider thinks of them, but there is an underlying resentment that they might be regarded differently to other sports. One shooter notes: "You wouldn't persecute darts players."


For all the noise, this is a sport about stillness, and concentration, and discipline, and not getting demoralised when bullets whizz into the giant sand bank behind the targets. The officials stress safety is paramount. Bullets are handed out by a soldier. One shop advertises the faintly worrying promise of "free eye tests". Ear protection is mandatory.

But it was not always like this. Long-term shooters deafened by gunfire used to be a common sight. Phil Rowell has come from Powys for the week and at 83, is believed to be the oldest person taking part. His hearing is fine, but he remembers that decades ago "only cissies wore ear protectors".

And in a fortnight's time, Bisley will be deafened by the roar of a different kind as 2,000 Harley Davidson owners arrive for a festival. Kindred spirits to the shooters, another group of enthusiasts, enjoying an unusual sort of holiday.
 
Oops, sorry. Wrong forum. This was meant to go in "General". Would a friendly Mod be so kind as to move it, please?
 
Nice to see. On the one hand the BBC is very anti when it writes about gun crime, supporting views that call for tougher gun laws, but when it writes about shooting it can be very pro, even calling for the pistol ban to be scrapped.
 
[QUOTEPhil Rowell has come from Powys for the week and at 83, is believed to be the oldest person taking part. His hearing is fine, but he remembers that decades ago "only cissies wore ear protectors".
][/QUOTE]

Hey, we're all cissies......
 
U.S. equivalent?

If one wanted to take a pleasant gun-centric vacation of the type described in this article in the U.S., where would it be? (That is, not an end-of-the-world training event, or a hardware-comparison noisefest, but instead a pleasant target-shooting/family-picnic gathering.) I vaguely recall an annual event (in Idaho?) with a weekend of up-blowing explosive things -- which sure appeals to me! -- but isn't quite the same idea.

Maybe there isn't one, since in the U.S. it's a lot easier (even in states like California) to get a "fix" of shooting ...

timothy
 
If one wanted to take a pleasant gun-centric vacation of the type described in this article in the U.S., where would it be?

Any of the black powder (muzzle loading) or cowboy action venues would probably fit that description. They both come with the idea of a 'theme,' though, rather than generic 'gun stuff.'
 
Ah, the Bisley target rifle ranges. For when one is tired of all that cowboy action shooting and practical shotgun and wants something a bit more peaceful, a bit more relaxing.

06sia7.JPG


stretch.jpg
 
Glad to see that there are a few people in the UK who are able to still hang on to their shooting heritage. Here's hoping that the perceptions of the shooting culture improve and result in more people joining in.

If one wanted to take a pleasant gun-centric vacation of the type described in this article in the U.S., where would it be?

The Whittington Center in New Mexico, or the competitions held at Camp Perry, Ohio.

Both places hold large-scale competitive events for pistol and rifle.
 
On a related note, the shooting club that I belong to here in London had its 100th birthday this Saturday gone by. The place is steeped in history and there are even photographs of British soldiers (pre WW1) training on the range.
Unfortunately there aren't that many places in London where you can go to shoot. The nice thing about my club is that on the first Sunday of every month visitors can come down to the club and shoot. There is a great deal of enthusiasm still left in some of the British public for shooting, but nothing like what I experienced in SA.
 
Oh really, what club is that then? I have numerous friends who would love to try shooting, but they only get the opportunity twice a year ot Bisley.
 
True it is mostly positive. There are the little side jabs however:

"...children...seemingly unperturbed by the sound of gunfire..." -- translation: children shouldn't be exposed to something so horrendous as the sound of gunfire...it's amazing that these kids aren't scarred for life

"...but these are real guns and real ammunition..." -- translation: these are bad things and these people have the power of God in their hands...mortals shouldn't be trusted with such

"Bisley's faithful seem a lot less ardent" -- translation: the American NRA are simplistic, childish, hotheads...no cultured society has any place for their kind

Maybe I'm just too sensitive and should lighten up...
 
@ Fosbery

It is the Ham & Petersham Pistol and Rifle Club.

Of course the only pistols we can shoot are black powder or air pistols, but the club has retained its original name.

Note that this club is in a semi-residential area and therefore centerfire rifle shooting is not permitted. But your friends can come down on the first Sunday of every month, pay only £2 entry and then only have to pay for ammunition if they are firing cartridges. The club has several Ruger 10/22s and several .357 lever action carbines. Black powder and shotgun are for members only, and even then the member has to have tuition first. Air pistols and rifles are very popular here. Many members have unusual firearms that they bring in and most will be happy to let a visitor have a go.
They also have archery and cater to crossbow users too.

Check the website for further details. You are welcome to PM me if you have questions about the club that aren't covered on the website.

http://www.hprpc.co.uk/
 
Good to see there is at least one place in the UK where you won't get beaten and robbed.

G
 
iapetus was saying
>Oops, sorry. Wrong forum. This was meant to go in
> "General". Would a friendly Mod be so kind as to
> move it, please?

Really, reading some of the responses at the end of the article makes it fit quite well in the Legal forum. Funny how the cultural devide is so wide concerning firearms between the UK and America that civil discussion is almost difficult to maintain. Marty
 
Observations.

I thought about posting this article here...

Anyway, the comments were mostly from the standard Britt gun/weapon control appeasement freaks.

They've already turned in most all of their guns. Now they are turning in knives.

Since the major difference between humans and animals is that humans can grasp weapons in their hands. I'm starting to wonder: When will the Britts line up to have their opposable thumbs amputated?

It's for the children, doncha know...
 
Just as a side comment let me point something out.

The people in the UK have for the most part disarmed themselves. They are wrong for doing this, this can be stipulated.

Now to deride and mock them here on the High Road ignores the fact that many pro self defense pro firearm people of the UK come and visit us here to talk with fellow enthusiasts.

I tire of boards where the US is constantly blamed for all the ills of the world, as a consequence I don't go to them.

I would hate to see our friends from abroad not feel welcome here.
 
GoRon was saying
>The people in the UK have for the most part
> disarmed themselves. They are wrong for doing
> this, this can be stipulated.

>Now to deride and mock them here on the High Road
> ignores the fact that many pro self defense pro
> firearm people of the UK come and visit us here
> to talk with fellow enthusiasts.

When I brought up the cultural devide between The shooters of the UK and America, I had no intention of insulting our British (or Australian or Canadian) members. We obviously have plenty of people in America who would like to see the same situation here, and we have to keep up a constant battle to keep our 2nd Amendment rights from being further whittled away. The "noble experiments" of gun control have been done though, and all we need to do is look around at the results.
Marty
 
Yet this is a sport that involves real guns and real ammunition. The 7.62 x 51mm Nato-style rounds used in competition look similar to the untrained eye to those used in combat rifles like the AK-47 (rounds).

Yes,they might just be 7.62 x 39mm rounds,because they are 7.62 x 39mm rounds.Centrefire rifle disciplines are shot with all kinds of calibres and military calibres arn't banned in the UK,unlike France and Mexico.
Fortunately the stupid,ignorant,journalist didn't go on about AK47s being allowed in Bisley,because they were banned in 1989.I loved that picture of the shooter,holding a Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic rifle,because it shows that the UK,still has semi-automatic firearms and that it could encourage more members into the sport. Or would the journalist be getting confused with the straight-pull assault rifles,that look like their semi-automatic counterparts?


Unfortunately you do get stupid anti-gunners,who go on about the small arms trade and psychpaths, like Hamilton and Ryan,who might live near the readers and might kill them.I think that they should belt up and zip their mouths up tight.:mad: :cuss: :fire:

But Mr Cheshire insists the image of shooting "is generally [dictated] by what the media chooses to perceive. If only the media were prepared to come here more often. You don't have accidents, you don't kill people, you shoot at targets."

Yes and no,to that statement.Yes,most people who join shooting clubs,do so because they love the sport and its challenges-but others join up because they are mentally or socially inadequate and look at guns,as a means of self-esteem-in terms of building up their courage,to feel powerful and in control.Some of thesee weirdos have the aptitude and ability to fill out a firearms application form and appear to be normal,whilst being interviewed by the cops-for being suitably eligible-for a firearms license-then they might even kill people because they are not right upstairs and the rest of the shooting community,suffers the consequences of their selfish actions.

Human targets are seen by many,to attract mentally-unstable people to the sport-because it offers simulated killing,that is realistic,to killing a person-the fact is that no target will deter a psycopath from the range,nor will a slr and a pistol ban-either.The fact is that we shooters think that Ryan and Hamilton,were a couple of sickos and that their crimes were attrocious and dispicable acts of savegery-that most of us are incapable of undertaking-because we might be reduced to tears and would be feeling rather physically sick and mentally burned-out-if we actually tried it.

I nearly was reduced to tears and I felt sick after seeing the news report on the Dunblane massacre in Scotland,10 years ago,especially when I saw the picture of Dr Mick North's daughter Sophie,who was killed by Thomas Hamiltons Brownings and magnums.

As for accidents,people do have accidents,but they are very rare-thanks to the excellent firearm handling instructions,taught at clubs and enforced by range officers.
 
Last edited:
Not even! Countless innocent pieces of paper and inoffensive berms are slaughtered every year to satisfy the shooters' bloodlust :D
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top