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BE-86 and smoke

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by peterk1234, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. peterk1234

    peterk1234 Member

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    I am noticing I get a lot of smoke with BE-86 and my plated bullets. Is this because my charge is on the low end? I am loading 4.6 grains at an OAL of 1.110 (9mm). If so, why does low charge cause smoke?

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    Pete
     
  2. JO JO

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    Just curious what brand of plated bullets
     
  3. Dudedog
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    Are the cases sooty?
    (black soot around case mouth)
    The soot would mean pressures are not high enough to give you a clean burn, not really an issue if the load shoots well for you.
    What bullet weight are you using? 115, 124 (or something else)? Bullet type?
    I haven't noticed that BE86 was smokey with any of the plated bullets I have shot and I have loaded around that charge weight with a 124gr bullet.
    String: 4
    Date: 3/31/2017
    Time: 2:57:54 PM
    Grains: 124
    Hi Vel: 991
    Low Vel: 958
    Ave Vel: 975
    Ext Spread: 33
    Std Dev: 15
    RMR 124 RN 4.5 BE86 1.11 OAL
    Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
    982 121.768 265.489
    991 122.884 270.378
    961 119.164 254.255
    986 122.264 267.656
    958 118.792 252.67
    This was with a RMR 124 FMJ, light load did not make 1000fps but I don't recall it being smokey. (but it might have been I just didn't make a note of it)
    I have found that BE86 seems to be happier towards the higher end of charge weights, not as happy in the middle.
     
  4. peterk1234

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    Missouri Bullet Company. You think it could be the coating? Really is not an issue, more of a curiosity.
     
  5. JO JO

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    Plated and coated are different animals, I get zero smoke with plated, coated have not tried any yet
     
  6. snakeye

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    That load is kinda low and will give you incomplete burn...try raising is up in steps until the smoke stops but don't exceed max. I run my 124gr fmj at 5.5....5.8 is max and I have never had any smoke
     
  7. buck460XVR

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    There's a reason they call it "smokeless" powder. I doubt it's the powder. With incomplete burn, you get flakes and kernels of partially burned powder and residue. I didn't think Missouri even handled plated bullets, only lead and coated.
     
  8. JO JO

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    The OP said in his last post they are coated I think the OP made a mistake in his first post calling the plated when he is shooting coated lead
     
  9. ColtPythonElite

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    I have loaded the same MBC bullet both plain and coated using the same charge of BE-86. The coated smokes less, but still smokes. The coating burning smell reminds me of overheated brake pads.
     
  10. peterk1234

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    Sorry, yes coated. I never really thought about it but you are right about the smell.
     
  11. Dudedog
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    If they are coated, then the smoke makes more sense. Not a problem but the uncoated ones will smoke more and the coated ones some.
    Coated smell sort of reminds me of burning electric wiring.
     
  12. ReloaderFred

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    Shoot some black powder rounds and you'll never complain about smokeless powder again.............

    Fred
     
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  13. eo1bart

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    I run Acme 124gr coated bullets over 4.7gr of BE-86 for steel challenge matches at my club. The time keeper has told me that there's a lot of smoke when I'm firing. I don't notice it though.
     
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