Be careful with old Ordnance

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This guy sold Civil war era bullets and other items.
http://www.samwhiterelics.com/
Apparently he restored (past tense) old cannonballs for display as well.
They are Still LIVE after all these years.

Just a cautionary tale. link to story
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http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-02-19-0167.html
 
Old Ordnance

I've always been curious about old ordnance. I wonder about fused or non-fused shells, and what might set them off.

I wonder about the kind of powder charges in them.

It is an unfortunate thing. I wonder what method he used to neutralize this stuff?
 
I've handled Civil War cannon balls that have been under water for a hundred years and still had dry powder charges inside. Wooden fuses had deteriorated somewhat over the years, but brass fused balls often had dry main charges and have detonated when I hit them with small shaped charges.
 
Sam ain't no more. :( I've never heard of him until yesterday, but he lived about 10 miles from me. RIP.

From the Richmond paper:

BY MARK BOWES
Times-Dispatch Staff Writer

A Chesterfield County man who operated a Civil War relics business was killed yesterday when some munitions he apparently handled -- possibly a cannonball -- exploded outside a detached garage at his home.

Police today identified the victim as Samuel H. White, 53.
White maintained a Web site called Sam White Relics, where he sold Civil War artillery shells, cannonballs, bullets, buckles and other artifacts.

According to the site, White "will disarm, clean, and preserve your Civil War period and earlier military ordinance" for about $35 a piece.

"I've done approx. 500 artillery projectiles and still have all my fingers (I must be doing something right, knock on wood)!" the site says.

The explosion yesterday caused police and fire officials to evacuate 20 to 30 nearby homes until authorities could determine the area was safe. Police found other unexploded ordnance at the house, and as of noon today, the evacuation remains in effect.

"We evacuated the neighbors in the immediate area just because of the potential that there could be some kind of secondary device," said Chesterfield police Capt. Steve Neal. "We don't have any reason to believe there will be an additional explosion, but we would rather be safe than sorry."

Neal described the device that exploded as military ordnance, possibly from the Civil War. State police bomb experts, along with agents of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, are assisting Chesterfield police and fire with the investigation.

"We're going to let the experts get up in there, and they are going to give us more information about what might have caused this explosion and whether there is anything still live that might be dangerous to anybody in the area," Neal said.

Neal said Greenwood Presbyterian Church at 7710 Woodpecker Road had opened to accommodate any neighbors who needed shelter. "Some of them had to leave without taking very many belongings," Neal said.

Neighbors reported the explosion after hearing the blast and then finding their neighbor fatally injured in his backyard, Neal said.

A large chunk of the ordnance flew into the air and smashed through the front-porch roof of Brian Dunkerly's house about a quarter-mile away. The 14to 15-pound chunk of metal then shattered his glass front door, hit the interior wood floor and bounced to the ceiling before coming to rest in the center of his living room.

His 13-year-old son was upstairs on a computer when the projectile came crashing into the house. Aaron Dunkerly wasn't hurt.

Dunkerly's son -- and many other area residents -- heard the initial explosion that killed their neighbor about 1:25 p.m. in the 14100 block of Granite Pointe Court in the Glebe Point subdivision off Bradley Bridge Road.

After the initial blast, Dunkerly's son "said about five or 10 seconds later he heard another explosion, but there was a little shaking to it," Dunkerly said. That was because the projectile had penetrated their house.

The boy ran downstairs and saw the piece of metal on the living-room floor. "He thought somebody had thrown something through the door," Dunkerly said.

Todd Gallagher, who lives about 150 yards away, was sitting at his computer in an upstairs room when the blast rumbled the windows of his house.

"I thought it was dynamite over at [the nearby] Shoosmith landfill," he said, "because it was something that was very, very loud -- more than just a gunshot. But it seemed like it was something that was pretty local, so I thought it potentially could be a propane tank exploding. A lot of the houses around here have propane tanks."

Gallagher, whose home is about three houses away, said he poked his head outside to "see if there was a car crash that caused such an explosion."

He then learned what happened to his neighbor.

"Obviously, it's an awful tragedy for the family," he said. "It's just tremendous that something like that could happen with such an old piece" of munitions. "But it shows the danger of that stuff."

Gallagher said his neighbor had experience with Civil War ordnance.


"It wasn't like somebody who just started getting into these things and . . . started playing with it."
 
Very sad, but not totally unexpected.
Old unexploded ordinance can remain deadly almost forever.

Here is a 1917 vintage Naval 1-Pounder I picked up at a flea market about 30 years ago. The primer had been fired, and the powder dumped out of the case when I got it.

But, I recognized it as an Armor Piercing HE round, even though the dealer insisted it had just a perfectly safe cast-iron projectile.

(If the nose has threads & a joint line, it ain't perfectly safe!)

One shot from a 22-250 at 150 yards lit it up like a sky rocket.
It took off and went spinning like a pin-wheel and landed about 200 feet from where I shot it before the charge burned out.
Talk about cool looking fireworks!

I assume it had been rattling around in somebodys WWI junk collection for over 50 years before I got it.

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