Belly gun bar fight...sort of

[duelist1954]

I had E.M.F.’s 1860 Army Snub Nose in house for my black
powder column in "Guns of the Old West", so I thought I’d use it, along with my
personal cut down 1860 Army revolver to do a belly gun video.

I got ambitious and tried to incorporate a little mini-movie
scene, but, as you’ll see in the video, that did not go exactly as planned.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anOkY6DE8Ms

 

[kBob]

Love seeing the ball bouncing off the plate at 10:00. Fun video.

I was disappointed that this time there was no chronograph of any shots as there is an ongoing snit over whether these sawn off pistolas are worth while or not some saying velocity was too low for use as a weapon.

The Dannites would have to have been time travelers to use these guns as they were disbanded by the Church before the base guns would have been available. Such guns were used by the men who served as bodyguards to the church leaders and as law enforcement ( some of whom continued to do so as US Territorial and State Peace Officers after Utah was forced into the US complete with name change).

Look up Porter Rockwell......

-kBob

 

[duelist1954]

Velocity with this one averaged 516 fps...slow, but I still wouldn't want to be shot by one.

 

[Patocazador]

I doubt that I could hit that little bow-legged cowboy target with one shot, much less be able to group 5 shots.

 

[robert garner]

I would like to see how those belly guns do with a bullet instead of ball,at the posted velocity it could only help.
robert

 

[72coupe]

At least across the card table you might set his clothes on fire. I am sure that would be very distractling.

 

[rodwha]

I'm curious if that short barrel can burn all of that powder.

 

[duelist1954]

There wasn't any evidence of unburned powder on that target I shot. Other than that, I can't say.

 

[rodwha]

I've heard many talk about reducing the powder charge with such short barrels, and wondered where that point would be. I've wanted to shorten a barrel to about 4" or so figuring it might be capable of burning a full charge for stomping around in the woods with.

I was surprised at the level of accuracy! Good shooting!

 

[jgh4445]

Mike, another fun video.

 

[BowerR64]

Yeah i like your videos

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

That was fun to watch but now I want one of those belly guns...

 

[Prairie Dawg]

Big Brother & Little Brother:
Too much fun!
--Dawg

 

[kBob]

516 fps put it ahead of the .41RF Remington.

bullet weight on the .44 RF short of 1865ish was heavier at200 to210 grains by same sort of velocity.

Higher velocity than the .44 Bull Dog center fire made for some small webleys ( not the RIC which out performs these belly guns) and H&R revolvers of the late 1880's.

Not sounding as silly as some would have us believe......

Some of the rounds using 200 to 230 grain bullets in cartridge guns are generating higher velocities with 10 to 17 grains of BP....may haps conical bullets of heavier weight might be better indeed.....

All research this AM in COTW by Barnes.

-kBob

 

[ofitg]

Velocity with this one averaged 516 fps...slow, but I still wouldn't want to be shot by one.

Duelist, Ed Sanow published some blackpowder gelatin tests in the Feb'98 issue of HANDGUNS..... with 756 fps from his 5-inch-barreled percussion "Sheriff", the .44 round ball penetrated 21.8 inches.

Using the "mathematical" approach from Duncan MacPherson's book, Bullet Penetration, I would guess-timate that your .44 round ball at 516 fps could penetrate 14 inches in gelatin.

 

[Foto Joe]

Fantasy gun or not, I like the Birds Head grip.

 

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Mike, try to keep the Indian up-rising down a little so you can finish your article .

 

[StrawHat]

Big Brother & Little Brother:
Too much fun!
--Dawg

Dawg, that is little brother and baby brother!

This is Big Brother-Little Brother!



or maybe this one

 

[Prairie Dawg]

Awesome!!!!!!

I love 'em!!!

--Dawg

 

[MRRAGPICKER]

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Here's mine with its shoulder holster

 

[Prairie Dawg]

Very Kool!

Do you really use that SHORT loading lever?????

--Dawg

 

[MRRAGPICKER]

Thanks
Sure do. But I don't use my fingers. I turn my hand to use the heel of my palm, work just fine.

 

[bax504]

The Short ROA

I would love to know some more details of that ROA.
Like which grip you used? Barrel length? How is the loading lever retained? and any other info.
Cause I have a stainless 7 1/2 that I would love to do that to. It would look great with my stainless 5 1/2" fixed sight.
Thanks

 

[MRRAGPICKER]

I wrote a couple of posts on it (when I had it set up for 45lc) on the ROA club thread. It appears on page 67 of that thread. I don't want to hijack the O.P.s Belly gun video thread. I need to post the black powder set up photo over there too.

 

[bax504]

Thank you sir.