"Benefits" of Having a CFP

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(I posted this over on TFL, too . . . apologies if you've seen it before)

I have a few handguns . . . 3 to be exact. Two Smith & Wesson M&P .40's; one's a full-size, the other a compact. The third is a Desert Eagle Mark VII .44 mag I bought from my brother-in-law in a moment of weakness (sure is fun to shoot, though).

Leaving the self-defense issue aside for now, my main purpose for getting the guns was to have fun. I like to shoot, I shoot a lot (somewhere between 2K-3K rounds since the end of October 2009), and I've discovered the joy and economy of reloading.

For no reason other than hearing that it was "a good thing to have," I took a firearm safety course and applied for a Maine resident CFP. I wasn't exactly sure what benefits it provided, and now that I actually have the permit, I'm still not really sure. The pamphlet issued by the State of Maine was not very helpful in defining what having this permit actually means.

I know I can now carry a loaded firearm on my person, concealed (obviously). I also understand that there are certain places where I'm not allowed to carry it at all.

I think it means I can transport my guns in my car, concealed, loaded and accessible to me. Although I can't find anything on-line that tells me what restrictions were in place before I got the permit, I think I was required to somehow keep my guns stored somewhere inaccessible to me and any passengers . . . difficult when your daily drive is a pickup truck with an open bed. I believe the guns were also to be kept unloaded, and ammo stored separately (again, can't find anything that clearly states this though).

I know that the rules of engagement for a routine traffic stop are now somewhat changed due to the fact that the officer will be forewarned that I am authorized to have a gun accessible to me in my vehicle. The thing is, I probably won't be carrying most of the time, and I will likely only have my guns with me in the truck when I'm headed to/from the range (or relatives in the country where I can shoot).

And the last thing I know (or maybe a better word is "suspect") is that the permit may make it more difficult to take my guns away from me if our government decides to revise the Bill of Rights.

But I haven't found anything that clearly identifies what it is I can do now that I couldn't do before. And while I suspect the rules vary from state to state, I'm sure there are some things that are pretty universal across the US in states that allow concealed carry.

The Handgunlaw.us web site would seem to be the logical place to find definitive answers but it seems to be a bit out of date. Some of the links on the Maine page are broken, and there's not much detail.

I think I've done the sensible (and ultimately convenient) thing by taking the safety training and obtaining the permit. The extra margin of personal safety afforded by being armed notwithstanding, what "conveniences" does my $35 get me? Or have I already figured out everything there is to figure out?
 
I think it means I can transport my guns in my car, concealed, loaded and accessible to me
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I think I was required to somehow keep my guns stored somewhere inaccessible to me and any passengers

As a CHL, or in your case CFP, you MUST know the laws of regulations that must be adhered to for you to possess your permit and carry a firearm

Maybe look in the State Statutes to find your answers, maybe speak with an attorney, or maybe enroll in a course that teaches applicable laws.

Be sure you have a crystal-clear knowledge of what you can and can't do: it may just save you a trip to the slammer.
 
Here are a few places to look.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/
http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Click on the Maine laws on both sites because every state is different.

To answer a few of your questions (I'm also from Maine):

1. You can transport a loaded weapon in your car that is accessible to you (holstered, in the glove box etc.) Without your carry permit it had to be unloaded and in the trunk.

2. In Maine you are not required to advise an officer you are carrying when you get pulled over but it is a good idea to tell them anyway. I got pulled over in Bridgton over the summer and the officer actually told me they are not advised in the computer system that you have a carry permit. The same rules apply weather you are carrying or not; advise him you are carrying, keep your hands where they can see them, don't make any sudden movements, and comply with all the officer's requests.

3. Having a concealed carry permit has nothing to do with the government taking your guns away. If handguns are outlawed yours will be taken whether you have a permit or not. Some people actually think ours would be the first to be taken because they know we own them.

4. Here are some examples of places you are not allowed to carry in Maine (and most places actually): Schools, most government buildings (courthouses etc.), the post office, and as the Maine statute puts it "posted liquor establishments" which means bars that have signs out front that say something like no guns allowed. However it is generally accepted that for a whole host of reasons you should never carry if you are out drinking (even if it's just a glass of wine at dinner).

Hope that helps a little. I would strongly recommend that you either speak to an attorney or take some more NRA courses (namely "personal protection inside the home", and "personal protection outside the home") to get a better understanding of your rights, risks, and implications of carrying a weapon, and/or using that weapon in a deadly force scenario.

Best of luck to you.
 
Thanks, this is great information.

I did take the NRA "Personal Protection" course. It included a 2hr "Maine Firearms Law" session presented by a lawyer, but that focused almost exclusively on the legal use of deadly force and had no content on when/where you can carry with a CFP.

My main reason for obtaining the CFP was so that I could toss everything in my range bag and throw it on the passenger seat of my car when I head out to shoot. I really don't expect to be "packing" all the time . . . but it's nice to know that I have that option should I change my mind.

DFW1911 said:
As a CHL, or in your case CFP, you MUST know the laws of regulations that must be adhered to for you to possess your permit and carry a firearm

Maybe look in the State Statutes to find your answers, maybe speak with an attorney, or maybe enroll in a course that teaches applicable laws.

Be sure you have a crystal-clear knowledge of what you can and can't do: it may just save you a trip to the slammer.


  • Look at State Statutes: Check
  • Speak with an Attorney: Check (listened to one, anyway)
  • Enroll in a Course: Check (All possible topics apparently not covered)
Which is why I'm here . . . I'm not finding the specifics I'm looking for. I'll take a look at the links others have provided, but I suspect I've seen most of them already.

Thanks!
 
Maine is a pretty darn good gun law and personal defense law state....

They ammended the state constitution (back in the '70s I believe) to stipulate that the right to bear arms is an individual right... and in doing so, put themselves out ahead of the race when it comes to "the gun wars".

Here's another good summary page...
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maine.pdf

a couple other points that I would consider benfits...

reciprocity... ID, UT, AZ, OK, NE, SD, IN, KY, TN, DE, MI & VT will honor your maine permit and allow you to carry concealed with it. (Note that NH is not on the list.)

opens door for non-resident permits in other states... NH will make you cough up $100 for a 4 year non-res. permit... but all you have to do is fill out the two page app. and photo copy your maine permit and you'll have your NH non-resident permit in you mailbox in two weeks. It's easier for you to get a MA non-res. permit than it is for one of their own residents to get a permit. Vacationing in FL? plan ahead and send in your out of state app. two months in advance and you'll be good to go.

Keep this in mind when you're carting your kit back and forth to the range.... A Maine CWP does NOT allow you to carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle. There is NO provision under state law, by which you can do so legally.

But don't get your advice off the internet... rather, call the Maine State Police with your questions. I've done so on several occasions, and each time I was transfered to an officer who works in the dept. that issues permits (the State Police do this for unincorporated areas and towns without a PD) and received a clear answer given in a courteous manner.

Congrats on getting you permit... if you don't find the need to carry concealed today, you very well might tomorrow.
 
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