Benelli Super 90 help

[fawndog]

When I made the decision to get a automatic shotgun I looked at the 11-87 and the M1S90. I was already to buy the Remington, I liked the 870 Marine (so go with good history right?), research also revealed Benelli had problems with locking lugs. Then I saw it.

This is the M1014, it has a different (ARGO) operating system, and if it will pass Marine muster then it's good enough for me. M1014

 

[jato]

who knows if the gun was ever cleaned/maintained in all that time?

Uhhh....I do. Yes it was.

50 rounds in 9 years is a sad excuse for the practice that is nessessary... I don't buy a gun, stick it in the corner, and expect it to perform.

Maybe IT was jelous of the 870 I was firing. Maybe IT's muscles atrophied. Maybe IT didn't like sitting next to the Winchester 1300 for 2 years.

As for the old ammo (which I suspect was the problem), it never hurts to have a stockpile. But what good is a stockpile if one has to rely on it to function in a M1 Smelly-90?

 

[CPS1]

fawndog...What was the problem with the locking lugs? Range buddy has easily 30,000+ rounds in his bennelli (not the M1s90, but same recoil action) without any problems with the lugs. Not saying this problem doesn't exist it's just that your the first person I've ever heard mention it.

Also the m1s90 could pass the marine standard, save the reliabilty problems that one runs into when mounting a lot of hardware. I.e. can't mount a lot of marine sights,etc.

Finally, I wanted the new marine shotgun too but lets face some facts. Its not the marine issue. It's been Sarah Brady'ed to hell and back. Fixed stock, may be illegal in Cali even with the fixed stock(bs tiny adjustment issue), and oh yeah *5* round capacity. Sorry but even though I'm an auto guy I would take 7 in a pump over 5 in an auto. Still it looks pretty.

 

[fawndog]

Early model M1 Super 90s apparently had the bolts locking lugs break off. The M4/M1014 can hold 7 with a +2 mag tube, 1 in the pipe+1 on the lifter=9 which is of course illegal. So all you need to do is convert to a regular "Monte Carlo" stock and You're good to go. Brady

 

[Nightcrawler]

9 shells in the air at once...

The thread can be found HERE. It was over at The FAL Files, when our own intrepid Blain posted the thread about his customized 3.5" Remington 870, seen below.

Some of the responses from some people were quite obnoxious. One thing I do like about The High Road is that people are a lot more civil than other forums. The FAL Files, AR-15.com, and Glock Talk just don't seem to be as friendly.

Blain's Shotgun

 

[fawndog]

I am a member of a few forums, and so far this is one of the good ones, I read your post Nightcrawler and am glad to talk with professional and courteous people. The thread you pointed out reminds me of a guy walking into a gun shop asking "How much fo dat (gold plated) foety fye"

 

[rallyman]

****RussB said, "rallyman (Craig) took my comment out-of-context and really ran with it, to promote his anti-S90 agenda"

Uhhhhhh......don't think it was out of context since I just quoted what you said in relation to what the topic was......if you meant to say something different with a different meaning then....uhhhhhh....don't put it off on me! I only quote 'em and respond as I hear 'em or should I say read 'em.

That said, I don't have any type of anti-S90 agenda. What I do have is an "anti - non reliablity agenda" and "anti - I gotta have this and it's the best 'cuz every other bloke and his buddy says it's the freakin' best and I'm just piling on the bandwagon 'cuz what else am I supposed to do agenda"!

I can only base my opinions and observations on what I have observed and have seen reported. Unfortunately I have heard to many negative reports about the super90. Two or three unrelated reports relating to the same thing is just about two too many for me! I can't imagine dropping that kind of cash on something with that kind of 'vague' reputation. Too many other fish in the sea!

I must say that I understand that not everyone has/had these kinds of issues with the gun, but as the saying goes.....where there's smoke there's usually fire......and too many proponents of the gun have agreed with the issues - ammo, form, etc.

I won't go over all I've said before on the issue, but suffice to say that I think the super90 is a good, perhaps even a great weapon - within it's limitations. I think there are many other choices of great weapons...without the same limitations. I hate limitations. That's why I'd never own a super90......I can pick something else with fewer, less complicated and limiting limitations.....

My .02 cents worth......that and another .96 cents will get you a cheeseburger at Micky D's too......

 

[Zak Smith]

I've got a M1S90 "Tactical" with nothing hanging off of it except for the 7-round tube. It is 100% reliable with all "Tactical" or "Light" (Winchester 1 1/8oz loads) or heavier shells, with little to no cleaning after thousands of rounds.

Remove the shell carrier and try it with known good ammo. If the problem does not go away there may be something wrong mechanically.

-z

 

[rust collector]

I've shot the M1 Super 90 at ducks for 10 years or so, and am happy with it. It may be a victim of its own marketing, however. It hiccups every once in awhile just as every gun I've ever owned did. This is no big deal--I've dug plenty of rounds out of the carriers of various 870s, and spent way too much time trying to get an old Rem 878 auto to repeat.

Before all this lightning fast surefire claptrap, most shooters understood that a shotgun was a mechanical device that would let you down from time to time. Once Benelli started parting us from an inordinate amount of cash, someone had to come up with a rationale. I got mine because it felt good in my hands, but the $630 I paid stung a little less when it was explained that this was a genuine whiz-bang technological marvel with a new and miraculous locking system. Well guess what--the laws of physics still apply.

It's simple. If it's not working right, it should be simple to fix or to trade to someone who will fix it. There is no santa claus and there is no voodoo that makes a gun foolproof just because it wears a Benelli, Sauer, Merkel, Anschutz or Hammerli handle.

I hope your S90 gets to feeling better, perhaps by more frequent use with fresh, full power loads.

 

[HSMITH]

rust collector, great post!!

You made your point quite well and still got a laugh, well written sir!!

 

[sm]

rust collector, Welcome to THR!

Concur with HSMITH...

I'm just sit gonna over here and grin....

But the guy in the flowered shirt wrote that article, its newer, it costs more, its black, it has more features than Grandma's Buick... and like the Donkey party says, if it don't work...throw money into it and...and...

"Doesn't anybody learn to shoot anymore?"

 

[BillL223]

One problem I've read about but not experienced is rust or corrosion accumulating in the recoil spring tube. Its likely that this could occur during the long period of storage. I believe that a firm named Sure Cycle makes a replacement tube assembly out of stainless that addresses this problem. Its also possible to disassemble this tube and clean it up. It is asembled with red loctite so needs heat on the joints that need to be unscrewed. My Benelli is 100% reliable with 1 1/8 oz loads and 3 dram equiv. It is used in 3-Gun and tactical shotgun matchs and I have started stages with as much as 21 rounds loaded and hanging off the gun in side saddles, butt cuffs etc. It is carefully cleaned and lubed as required, rarely run more then 300 rds between cleaning.

 

[harrydog]

QUOTE:
"Early model M1 Super 90s apparently had the bolts locking lugs break off."


I've never heard of this even once in the past 10 or 12 years that I've been interested in Benelli. Can you point me to a source for this information?

In the past I've spoken to range owners who have M190 rental guns that probably have in excess of 50,000 rounds through them and are still going strong.

As to malfunctions, sure, some Benellis have occasional malfunctions but don't fool yourself into thinking that pump guns are immune from malfunctions. Although anything mechanical can malfunction, I'd say that 99% of Benelli malfunctions are operator induced in one way or another.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that the M190, or any variant, is as reliable, or more so, than any semi-auto shotgun out there and perhaps just as reliable as any pump gun if the user knows what their doing.
But of course, that's just my opinion. Everyone has one!

 

[dwestfall]

Wolff makes a reduced-power recoil spring that will help reliability with lighter loads.

Worked for me!

 

[fawndog]

harrydog,

You have to know that many things circulate on the net, with that said I can not say that I have evidence of such things happening, my knowledge or lack there of is based on reading articles and fourms online. I will try to retrace my sources.

 

[harrydog]

fawndog,
No problem. I was just hoping to read about it, as it interests me.