Beretta Storm Range Report

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I just got my new 9mm Storm (I still have the .45 version on order) The night before going to the range I read the manual, then field stripped the Storm, cleaned and relubed it. I should have taken more ammo with me. :D I brought 200 rounds to the range , which is an indoor 100' range. At 60' with the iron sights I put 20 rounds through one hole, the size of a quarter, using Caldwell rest bags. I was firing 115gr PMP ammo. Not a single hiccup. I ordered two 15 round mags for it and one 30 rounder from www.sportsmansguide.com . I can't wait to get my top rail from BUSA and mount my red dot scope on it. Recoil was very mild.

On the negative side the 10 round Beretta mags were a @# #@% to load. :banghead: They seemed to get a little easier by the time I left. Either that, or my thumb was just numb by then. I guess I am spoiled from using Wilson Combat mags with my two Kimber 1911's. Also, the trigger had too much take up and was not smooth enough for my liking. Hopefully the latter trigger problem will improve with a few more hundred rounds through it.

All and all though, I was very impressed with it. I can't wait to go back to the range this weekend.
 
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my advise would be load the mags and leave them loaded for a few days. My .40 mags were a major pita and I left em loaded....seem to be much smoother and easier to load now. Just curious but the sights on the storm....are they adjustable at all or a fixed sight? I doubt you will ever have a problem with the gun shooting proper ammo, they look like a spin off of the 92.....should be very reliable. BTW nice shooting.

Brett
 
my advise would be load the mags and leave them loaded for a few days

Oh yeah, I got 10 in each and they been sittting like that all week now.

Just curious but the sights on the storm....are they adjustable at all or a fixed sight?

They are adjustable for W and E. BTW in case you didn't know, the Storm is fully ambi, you can even set it up to eject to the left. Field stripping is really easy too.
 
I finally got my top rail.....

.......for my Beretta Storm and I just mounted a Nikon Monarch Red Dot sight on it. I've got about 800 rounds through it so far and I have had no problems with it. I will post another range report after I zero in the red dot this weekend. Here is a pic of it with the red dot on it.
 

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I checked one out for a major LE agency

Beretta Cx4 Storm

This 9mm Para carbine is about 30 inches overall length, about 7 inches at its tallest measurement. Line of sight is about 2 inches above the line of the bore, so any added optic will be at least that high. The rear sight apertures were sized at SMALL and SMALL. The aperture settings are marked as LR and SR. One of those apertures need to be opened up to allow this carbine to be used to its full potential, if that be any sort of self defense. This carbine is outfitted with an optional rail on top, between the sights, allowing for a possible combination of sight and NV device. Added to the forearm is a polymer based assembly that creates three accessory mounting points via rails. Sight rail and forearm accessory are optional items. Pressing the front sling swivel stud allows another accessory base to extend from the front of the forearm, creating the most useful point for locating accessories, immediately under the barrel. Overall design comes from the Italian design group currently responsible for several of Beretta's products. Weight is centrally located and gives the carbine a lively feel. The design would allow for some means of shortening or reducing the stock length, but not in today's political climate.

The bolt design owes lineage to Beretta's fine PM12 sub-machine gun. The bolt telescopes around the rear of the barrel. Lock up is very simple in that the carbine fires from an unlocked closed bolt, in essence, a blow back operation. In some less robust designs, this has led to functioning problems with high pressure ammunition. I suspect this will not be an issue with the Beretta product, but one that should be tested before one employs such ammunition. The bolt contains what appears to be a free floating firing pin that is restrained by a firing pin safety, essential for a blow back gun of this sort. An examination of the bolt reveals potential for minimal design change to accommodate additional modes of fire. Driving the firing pin forward is a polymer hammer which uses the latest structural additions to make such polymer parts resistant to shatter caused by wear and impact on steel. The operating handle is attached to the bolt and readily removable. This handle is one of a series of parts that can be moved to change ejection to either left or right. The handle snaps into the bolt body and normally retained in place by the design of the receiver. The operating handle reciprocates with the bolt, which is often disqualifying under some units Mission Essential Needs Statement. The barrel crown uses a simple bevel that protects the rifling, but caused quite a bit of build up on the bevel from burnt powder.

A quick function check seemed to indicate that the carbine was ready to shoot. Loading it up with a variety of cartridges from the loose rounds box, I went to the 25 yard line. I quickly discovered that the carbine had been assembled for a left hand ejection, though the ejection port cover remained on the left side. This combination, easily produced, created a single shot carbine that attempted to eject to the left and created stoppages that were not easily cleared. I returned to the range house determined to either get it to work or lose some parts in the process. Within ten minutes I located the problem and had the parts changed to allowing normal functioning. After that the carbine worked fine, feeding and firing any of the junk rounds I could find to run through it. My largest mechanical concern would be the ease with which one can create a non-functional firearm.

The included magazine is of Beretta mfg. and seems better built then many of the aftermarket magazines made for the military. It loaded 15 rounds easily. The magazine base plate is quite robust and appears to be a polymer formulation and design that I have not seen before. I suspect it will take quite a bit of dropping onto concrete without ill effect.

The largest question in my mind was that of the role for this gun. Pistol caliber carbines have not generated a large following. For the same envelope size, one could obtain a .223 caliber gun that would do everything the Storm will do, and then some. If this gun were outfitted with a ten inch barrel, high efficiency suppressor, the existing extended capacity magazines from the Beretta 93R and a select fire mode, we'd have a contender for the sub gun market.

The butt stock has sling attachment points on each side, but no complimentary attachment points on the forearm. Two sling swivel studs are provided.

The magazine release is located on the left side of the pistol grip, similar to most handgun magazine locations. The release button protrudes above the surrounding surface and is easily used, or bumped, and readily releases the magazine. It could use better design to protect the button.

The bolt release lever is located in a position that is best described as similar to the safety on a 1911A1 type handgun. It readily released the bolt, even when actuated by an empty magazine. Oddly, it is not ambidextrous and not readily used by a left handed shooter.

The trigger blocking safety, a cross bolt type marked with red for “fireâ€, is located above trigger and easily used by the right hand trigger finger. I was not able to figure out if this part can be changed to left hand operation. This safety, when in the fire position, has the potential for being bumped easily into “safe†position and creating an inert firearm. This is notable as many designs for LE/Military avoid operating levers or buttons that might be inadvertently activated by allowing the weapon to fall to a slung position. With the weapon being allowed to fall or rest into a slung position, operator equipment or load bearing gear may cause the safety or magazine release to be activated, either being undesirable for a serious use firearm.

This weapon would be useful for personal defense and with a few design changes, some law enforcement applications. As it is, it is not comparable in function or utility to any other design of handgun, carbine or shotgun, if such is essential to an entities comprehensive training agenda. The caliber is a major limitation, as when a pistol bullet gets to 100 yards, it is a pretty tired bullet and the velocity is reduced to below the design limits of most major projectile designs. Finally, I would be suspect of its long term durability as compared to the MP5 or AR type firearms, in large part because of the varied materials and methods used in construction.

Thanks for the opportunity to examine this firearm in detail.
 
Kilroy...........

..........some interesting observations there. I must agree with you re:

by Kilroy.....The rear sight apertures were sized at SMALL and SMALL. The aperture settings are marked as LR and SR. One of those apertures need to be opened up

I have only been able to fire my Storm at an 25 yard indoor range to date, but I have noticed the problem with the aperture size. I am waiting to do some outdoor shooting before I do anything to open the aperture.

The largest question in my mind was that of the role for this gun. Pistol caliber carbines have not generated a large following.

I see the trend of many depts. moving towards pistol caliber carbines and Beretta is not alone in trying to fill this niche. The ability to have a carbine, particularly in an urban environment which will not only use the same ammo as an officers service weapon but use the very same magazines is very attractive to many depts.

Notice the calibers that Beretta has chosen to chamber the Cx4 Storm in, 9mm x 19, 9mm x 21 (euro market only), .40 S&W and the one I believe you will see a lot of LE armorers salivating over, .45 ACP.

For the same envelope size, one could obtain a .223 caliber gun that would do everything the Storm will do, and then some.

Unfortunately, the "then some" includes over penetration which is not something I look for in a close quarters urban enviorment weapon to be used by LE. That is just one of the reasons why the MP5 (a 9mm) has gained such favor with LE in urban enviorment situations.

The caliber is a major limitation, as when a pistol bullet gets to 100 yards, it is a pretty tired bullet and the velocity is reduced to below the design limits of most major projectile designs.

It's a carbine! It is designed to be effective for close quarter combat.

The butt stock has sling attachment points on each side, but no complimentary attachment points on the forearm. Two sling swivel studs are provided.

Here is a picture of my Storm showing how Beretta suggests the sling be attached in front for LE purposes it is attached to the provided side picatinny rail by using a dovetail sling mount with a Q.D. sling swivel.

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I see the trend of many depts. moving towards pistol caliber carbines and Beretta is not alone in trying to fill this niche. The ability to have a carbine, particularly in an urban environment which will not only use the same ammo as an officers service weapon but use the very same magazines is very attractive to many depts.

A serious examination of the utility of a pistol caliber carbine has kept many agencies away from such. That same ammo from the handguns is found wanting in overall performance.

Unfortunately, the "then some" includes over penetration which is not something I look for in a close quarters urban enviorment weapon to be used by LE. That is just one of the reasons why the MP5 (a 9mm) has gained such favor with LE in urban enviorment situations.

The over penetration arguement is not supported, and in fact contradicted, by most recent information from a wide variety of sources. A properly loaded .223 has much less penetratioin then the standard hollow point pistol bullet. Those pistol bullets tend to penetrate twice as much building material in most residential construction.

Two major agencies in my area are getting rid of their MP5s (a 9mm) in order to replace them with M4 carbines (a .223). This is not an isolated occurence.

It's a carbine! It is designed to be effective for close quarter combat.

In select fire, the MP5 works well for that, but starts to lose a lot of effectiveness at 50 yards. The Storm has no provision for that.

And this just in...with a jury rigged 3 point sling, similar to yours in the photograph, I have been able to lose the magazine and activate the cross bolt safety when allowing the Storm to drop on it's sling and into the front of my load bearing gear. I was not sure what happened, but now find that the proper hit on the left side of the gun will release the magazine while moving the cross bolt safety into the "safe" position.
 
Every thread that I've read on here about the CX4 there is always plenty of hate floating around it. That is the main reason it's on my "to buy" gun list! :D
 
by cliffb........Any rumors on when the .45 ACP Storm will come out??

I have the .45 version on order and I would guess that if I have it in hand by this Christmas I will be lucky.
 
by TheOtherOne.........Every thread that I've read on here about the CX4 there is always plenty of hate floating around it. That is the main reason it's on my "to buy" gun list!:D

Yeah, it's become the "Kimber of Carbines.":D As the saying goes, heavy hangs the head that wears the crown.
 
Every thread that I've read on here about the CX4 there is always plenty of hate floating around it. That is the main reason it's on my "to buy" gun list!

This is why I bought a Steyr S40 ;)
 
Guys~
I think Storms are neat and I'm going to buy one in 9MM. Is there any type of "non-conspicuous" and short length case that is built especially for the Storm? If not, at the last gunshow there were some excellent short soft cases that must have been made for M4's that would be close to perfect. I don't like walking across the ramp with a case that screams "long-gun". I was never "made" when I walked out to the plane with my bright blue Marlin "Papoose" case. "PAPOOSE" is even written in large black letters on the side. I have no idea what people thought was in there, but they didn't think "GUN"...and that's all I cared about.

KR
 
Well all I can say is that is you don't like a certain gun or if it doesn't fit your style of shooting (or purpose) then don't buy one. This goes for the inexpensive little 9mm Beretta Storm carbine.

Why on earth would anyone compare it to an MP5....or a rifle that shoots .223 (or any other cartridge). It's a 9mm carbine for goodness sake. And an inexpensive one at that.

If this gun were outfitted with a ten inch barrel, high efficiency suppressor, the existing extended capacity magazines from the Beretta 93R and a select fire mode, we'd have a contender for the sub gun market.

That's not what it was made for. Again, why compare it to something it was not built to be????


I specifically bought it because it IS a 9mm and can be shot at my indoor handgun range (I can't shoot a .223 at my handgun range). I didn't buy it to use at 100 yards. I bought it because it was a nicely designed handgun caliber carbine that would be fun to shoot with at the range, uses cheap 9mm ammo, has plenty of inexpensive pre-bans available....an added bonus is that mine has been 100% reliable (even with cheap Blazer $3.99 per box/50 ammo). I am having a blast with this carbine. I switched it over to left hand configuration and it is great to have the shells eject the to the left!!! I have no problem with any of the controls or their locations.

Nice, small, lightweight package, easy to breakdown and clean.....goes to the range with me every time!!! :D

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I love mine despite all it's "shortcomings". My pre-ban AR is jealous of all the attention my Storm has been getting. I even took my 3-point sling off the AR and put it on the Beretta. BUT, to make up for it, I ordered a CQBSolutions sling for the AR ;)

with a jury rigged 3 point sling, similar to yours in the photograph
That's not "jury rigged".... that's the same type of purpose built side sling swivel for picatinny rails that the M4A1 uses.

ONE gripe I have about the Storm. All the pre-sale hooplah about it said it was going to be "fully ambidextrous" including the safety and mag release. Then when I get mine, I swap the ejection port on it, and then go looking for instructions on swapping the mag release and safety. "See gunsmith" was what it said. NOT happy about that misleading info.

One last thing. I know there's lot's of talk about "tests" that "prove" an AR15 overpenetrates less than hollow point pistol ammo. I wonder about the validity of these tests. Waay back in 5th grade, we learned about how a fast moving object going through a material (bullet through wallboard) would carry the debris from that material with it for short distances, and the material would assist in making the next hole... If you put 12 pieces of wallboard 6" apart and shoot your pistol through it, that's not a real life test of a house. The larger, heavier bullet will have created more debris than the smaller 55gr projectile and it will make the next hole, and the next and the next.

My only personal experience was a very embarrassing AD. A Remington Golden Sabre in .40 S&W was discharged inside a house while pointed in a safe direction. The bullet went through one wall, making a nearly perfect hole on one side, ripping out the other side, but BOUNCING off the next wall leaving a gash in the wall, then bouncing off another wall, and ending up about 8 feet away in the floor. To recap, it only passed through ONE wall, (2 pieces of wallboard) but did NOT penetrate any more walls. There was significant debris on the floor, and the wall next to the initial impact sustained damage from the flying bits and pieces.

In order to have a credible test, you'd have to put 2 pieces of wallboard 6" apart, then the next two would need to be at least 6 FEET apart, then the next two and so on and so on.

Did I mention that I LOVE my new Storm :)
 
I pre-ordered all my Beretta rails, case, etc from Beretta on 12/23/03. Fortunately I was one of the initial people to get their orders because now I hear they're backordered again. Tactical Excellence is making rails for the Storm (see link below).


Onslaught -- it is pretty easy to change the mag catch to the other side. I've changed my gun to a left handed configuration, all but the safety and the bolt release button (or whatever it is called).

Here's a link concerning the mag catch.

http://www.tacticalexcellence.com/
 
Kentucky Rifle .... this rectangular discreet soft case should work, 32" x 13".

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An inexpensive version will be a similar case from ACE, about half the price.
 
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