Bergara B-14 Timber, basic review and observations.

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Hey guys I just brought my new Timber home. Thought I do an initial impressions and basic fit, finish, and handling review.
There Isnt alot of user reviews out there on these yet, tho I expect there to be a flood once some of them get out in the field. Basic specs and prices are covered in the official media, and some of the gun channel reviews. So I wont cover those, Ill just be covering my own impressions of the unit I just got.

Basic specs as listed on Bergaras site for my rifle.
.30-06, 24" barrel, rifle weight of 7.8lbs ( this numer dosent match my gun).

Here we go, from acceptance to scoped weight.


The packaging the rifle came in is head and shoulder above what most other companys are sending out their rifles in.
The box is very nice, and seems sturdier that most. The gun was in and out of the box probably a dozen times since it got to the shop on Wed.
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The foam feels good, offers good protection and is durable, It has a nice, quality appearance. Opening the box it feels like the company cares what kind of impression they will make right off the bat. The literature was right at the top when i opened the box the first time in the shop (it ended up under the upper foam layer but didnt get damaged thru all the openings and closings before i brought it home).
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The rifle sits nicely in a cut out that matches its contour (tho obviously a one size fits all for these guns). It is also shipped inside a very nice sock, kinda like a good quality fishing pole. The bolt is bagged and has its own pocket in the foam to ride in.
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Metal fit and finish is excellent. I couldn't find any flaws in the bluing. There were no rounded corners (that weren't supposed to be), or tool marks on any of the parts, including the inside of the action. All the lettering lines up properly. Metal to metal gaps are very fine and even on all the moving parts.
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The only gripe i have is the serial, its long, and not very cleanly stamped, actually almost looks like electro pen...kinda bugs me.
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The bolt dosen't wiggle in the receiver, which ive seen on some guns. Bolt movement is crisp, and fairly smooth, tho a polished action is still smoother, as is my Browning Abolt. I know its gonna bug some people, The bolt knob is plastic *EDIT* IT IS NOT PLASTIC ITS ALUMINUM . Its smooth and I like the way it feels. Its also appears to be threaded on, so you can probably take it off and replace it pretty easy.
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As a note, it appears Bergara used steel for the bottom metal on the B-14. Ill add a picture later


The trigger is very crisp, but as set has pretty significant over travel. The pull thru is very smooth tho, and I may leave it well enough alone. Pull weight is a little heavy for me at 5lbs. I just took a quick look at it, but the trigger appears to be nearly identical to the Rem700, so most likely Ill be able to get it adjust where i want it.
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Wood to Metal fit is good, I could only find three flaws.
There is proud wood near the safety, and at the back of the trigger guard. Its pretty minor, but seems like more because of how well fitted everything else is. Both of which i tried to get pictures of by it was hard to tell there was any issue.
The other flaw is that the barrel dosen't sit perfectly in the barrel channel, Ive seen this on almost all of my other over the counter firearms.
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Handling wise the stock is a little bulkier in the wrist than most of the current stocks Ive handled. This model does have a palm swell and that may account for it, I would have to hold one without to be able to say for sure. Personally I like the feel of it, it fills my hand nicely and provides good contact. Many other stocks it feels like I'm really only holding them with the base of my thumb and middle finger.
The forearm is nicely rounded, the checkering is well executed. Not a lot I can say there.
Couple neat thing about the stock. One it has weight reducing cutouts inside the forearm. They are well done and are not rough in the least. Also if recoil becomes an issue, it would be easy to add weight to them. The other is that the rear is capped with a very well fitted 1/2", real recoil pad, it feels like closed cell similar to a Decelerator pad. Most guns either have a 1" or thicker pad, or a 1/2" plate....I like the smaller pad personally. (Ill get pictures of the stock, the ones I took were all too blurry to use.)
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The stock also has epoxy pillars which are very well done and quite nice, the action screws dont touch the insides of the pillars at all. One thing that would have been nice on the stock is if they had put down some bedding compound behind the recoil lug and under the front of the action. Not many companies do this on over the counter guns, so Im not complaining, but since they were pouring the pillars anyway.
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A nice thing, that I know is a take it or leave it for alot of folks, is that Bergara sends a Shim to go under your rear scope base to give you some installation adjustment or cant. No idea how much I havent taken it out of the baggy yet.
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In general handling the rifle feels smooth and balanced, it points well, and the checkering is sufficient the make it feel secure without being rough.
Dry firing the gun, and running the bolt, Its almost like it wants to shoot its self. Im not that fast with a bolt gun, I usually unshoulder to work the action, with this gun I can comfortably run the bolt from the shoulder. Even my A-bolt I bring down to cycle, and the A-bolts have pretty slick actions.

Over all impression is this rifle is more than worth the 900ish MSRP that Bergara is asking, with a street price a couple hundred lower its a steal. I paid close to msrp, paradise taxs and all, and Im very happy with the purchase.


Now for an interesting tidbit.
The actions (at least the long actions like i have) are externally EXACTLY (well almost) the same as a Remington 700, besides having a thicker recoil lug and a repostioned (and better imo) bolt release. They differ enough that the internal components cannot interchange.
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All the other 700 components, like stocks, magazine kits, and bottom metal, should interchange. Here are some pictures comparing them.
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The only reason I couldn't drop my B-14 into my Remington stock is the recoil lug wont fit into the recess on the rem stock since its bedded. The Rem wont fit in the B-14 stock because of the repositioned bolt release on the B-14.
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The fact that the guns share the same foot print should make the much cheaper Hunter Model very, very, attractive to guys looking to build up a a semi custom hunting rifle...Its already capped with a good barrel, and fit and finish are better than any of the stock Rems Ive handled in a while.

What it also means to guys like me, who wanted the very pretty wood stock, is we can swap out the heavier bottom metal for much lighter (and cheap) remington cast off parts, and save about 4oz. Or we could add a DM kit with not alot of effort. (the B-14s are available in DM if so ordered)

Here are some part/rifle weight comparisons B-14 Vs Rem700
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Nice write up. I look forward to a range report. Did you mention the caliber and I missed it?

The plastic bolt knob would probably bug me. How is it attached?
 
No, I left the Cal out, Ill put it in the original post in a few.
Its a .30-06

The bolt knob LOOKS to be screwed on, but it might also be pressed and glued.
 
I think it would be a wonderful choice for the Creedmoor, I seriously considered it. I ended up getting this one in 06, and a Howa 1500 lightning in 6.5, as I wanted both guns and both rounds.

Im hoping to get some range time in the next week or two, got a mix of handloads and factory ammo to run.
 
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Ahh no i forgot to mention that. The saftey does NOT lock the bolt, its a standard remington 2 position.
 
I think it would be a wonderful choice for the Creedmoor, I seriously considered it. I ended up getting this one in 06, and a Howa 1500 lightening in 6.5, as I wanted both guns and both rounds.

Im hoping to get some range time in the next week or two, got a mix of handloads and factory ammo to run.

There are several long actions in the state, and two .308s that I've seen.

The green synthetic stocks are all I've seen. No wood stocks around; and very few Bergaras. They shoulder well, and are grippy. Like a Hogue, but not like a Hogue
 
As far as i know this is the only one on island. The shop i got it from had to check a couple distributers to find it. They dont seem to be in general use yet....i like having wierd stuff, so that works for me
 
I had the same gun and did a review on here when they first came out, probably around a year ago. I had mine in 6.5 Creedmoor. I never shot the gun because it didn't really impress me much. It was overly heavy for a sporter rifle, the palm swell was too much for my hand, and the bolt knob looks cheap and like an afterthought. It doesn't really have any aesthetic appeal. It's just a round ball screwed on the end of the bolt handle. I'm sure being a Bergara, that it would certainly shoot, but it was not the gun for me. I ended up selling it before I ever shot it.
 
I agree, the stock dimensions are on the large size. It fits me well, but I have large hand, and like alot of contact. Most standard stocks (sold a ruger hawkeye recently because of this) arnt proportioned properly for my preferences.
Weight dosent seem excessive to me, none of my sporter rifles weigh much less than this one at 7lbs 2oz alone, and 8lbs 2.5oz scoped.
The bolt knob IS just a round ball screwed onto the end of the bolt handle, but i find it much easier for me to work smoothly than any of the flat/oblong knobs. It dose look kinda cheesy, and out of place on a rifle that costs 900 bucks (again it dosent bother me, ive been known to cut bolt knobs off and screw plastic roundballs on to them tho....ill attach a picture later). The flip side is these guns are listing on GB for 750 right now.
 
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Thanks for posting the write-up. Not to derail, but I'd like to hear your thoughts and perhaps you're accuracy results with the 6.5 CM Howa 1500 Lightning... They seem like a real steal for $330 from Whittaker's.
 
I dont have it in hand yet.
I used a different ffl for that one, and hese never seen a Howa. I told him he could play with it, and hang it in the shop to see what his other customers thought. I work on the opposite side of the island during the week, so after bird hunting Saturday Ill go pick it up.

I havent been able to find a review on the "Lightning" variant, so if i cant find one before next week ill do something like this.

Ill probably shoot both of these rifles for the first time next week.
 
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Looking forward to your range report since I never got around to shooting mine. I have a feeling it will be a good shooter. There's a lot of truth to the advice that you should always go and handle a rifle before making a purchase. What didn't fit me very well seems to be a nice fit for you. Best of luck with your new gun.
 
Thanks, and thats very much the truth. Ive bought a couple rifles, and a shotgun, that didnt handle well for me. Without handling guns it really is luck of the draw as to fitment. Bird hunting maybe off the table if so that pushes my range date up a little...well see :)
 
So another correction on my first post. After tinkering with the bolt today I got the knob off. Its actually very nicely anodized aluminum...so much so that i couldnt tell till I scratched it.
 
That makes more sense. I was having a hard time wrapping my brain around why they would put a plastic knob on it.
 
Well that definitely makes more sense than a plastic knob. I hate when gun manufacturers slowly start switching the occasional part to plastic. Worse case scenario, you can always find a machinist to make and thread a new bolt knob for you. But it sounds like you prefer the round knob, so that may not be needed.
 
Yeah i like the round knob quite well . I usually drop the rifle half way down to cycle and use the middle of my palm in a figure 8 so the round smooth knob works really well. I took the gun to my other buddies shop, for him to check out, when i picked up the howa. He immediately wanted to change the knob, so its definitely not for everyone.

I also tried my 1/4-20 die on the bolt handle threads, and it instantly locked up. Im not sure what the threading is, but it aint that lol.

As a side note i can almost run the action with the flick, flick, style i use on .22s only thing is getting the rounds out of the box.
 
I finally made it to the range to day. I took both my new 6.5 howa, and the 30-06 bergara.

I also had my daughter along so my time to shoot was limited and offten interupted lol.

These were the first rounds out of both guns, no proper break in done beforehand (i cleaned both, and didnt shoot either hot), guns were fired twice, then allowed to cool, best groups were the last fired.
I had to use my crapy winchester shooting sled thing (bought it to hold guns while i clean them) since my rice bags were getting moldy, and i forgot my premade targets and my pens at home.
This ment i was shooting off a wobbly ill fitting shooting sled, on top of a wobbly plastic table. To top it off i had to draw my aiming points on the board with the lead tip of one of my roumds.....
Needless to say, im 100% sure the guns can both shoot better, and ill update this post, and make a new one for the howa, when i get out again .... maybe tomorrow.
123s and 120s are 6.5
165s are the 06
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The superformance groups were the last groups shot, and i kinda figgured out how to hold the sled to get the gun to recoil consistently. unfortunately it took quite a bit effort and force to keep the sled still, which resulted in me pulling the last shot on the 06. The aiming point for the 6.5 was really hard to see so that might have accounted for the shot to the left.
 
I ordered a B-14 Hunter for a friend and went through it before I sold it to him. The trigger, I think, is a Timney made to Bergara specs and I set it at 3# . It was a 7mm Mag and would shoot under 1/2 MOA out of the box. I had to have one in 6.5 Creedmoor.

Now my infatuation for the Creedmoor has been going on for a while. It started with a Weatherby Vanguard. So far 1 MOA is all that I can get out of it, but to be truthful, I have only tried Factory ammo and the Nosler Accubond LR in it.

Then I bought a Ruger American Predator. Don't like the trigger but it will shoot under 1/2 MOA with 2 different loads. It also hates the Accubond LR.

Then there is the Bergara. I like it. It has a nice feel, is pillar bedded, nice workmanship, but the trigger has a little bit of creep. The pull is better than the Predator, but still not as nice as the Weatherby. So far I have tried 4 or 5 bullets in the 120-130gr, range and 4 powders and it still won't shoot under 1 MOA. Going to try some 140gr and then it is going on the market.

Next up is the Kimber Hunter. I may have to have one of them. Now do I stay with the Creedmoor or try a 257 Roberts? Decisions, decisions.
 
That, theres is a hard decision....least for me it would be, ive wanted a Bob for a while. I always end up getting something else, like this howa, but I still want one.

Im mildly surprised the bergara didnt shoot better for you, this one seems to be doing pretty well considering I didnt give it much of a chance this outting.
 
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