Berretta 21a Bobcat

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"My point is that if you can find the proper holster, you can get FAR better accuracy with a 22LR target pistol..."

Good point. I can certainly hit my targets easier with my Ruger. There's always a tradeoff between bulk and ability.
 
"Thanks for the reminder boatdreamer! Mine goes in the pocket tomorrow morning..... "

Right on. We've got livestock and free range chickens. The chickens are highly susceptible to predation. When something gets into them, there's no time to go fetch a gun, then see what's up. It's hot foot it over there in the hope you can stop the furry thief. I'd far rather have ANY gun on me then, even if I only get a wild shot off-noise can be a deterrant. I'm also fond of squirrel and rabbit....
 
I've used an Iver Johnson pt-22 over the years. Recently gave it to my son. Also have used a Charter undercover .38 spcl for farm patrol in the past. I now have a Charter 2000 Bulldog Pug in .44 spcl that I am using for farm use. I like the extra oomf with the shot shells. By the way I am over here in Cannon County. I start work at UMC next week.
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I'll go ahead and admit it - I bought one of these in .22 LR just because it was so darn adorable.
 
boatdreamer said:
Great posts people. Could someone tell me how to insert quotes? I can't figure it out, and it's driving me nuts.
You have to copy the text of what you want to quote, then go to the "Post Quick Reply" field at the bottom of the page and paste that text into the window, then highlight it (Ctrl A). At the top of the window, furthest to the right, is the "Wrap" button. Click that and the quote tags will appear around the highlighted text. If you want to add the quoted posters name, put =username after QUOTE in the first tag.
 
I have the Bobcat in both 22lr & 25ACP. I prefer the 22lr. 8 quickly well placed shots in close quarters are easy with this pistol. I carry it when the clothes are tight and my 642 if I got room. I don't feel vulnerable with either.
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You have to copy the text of what you want to quote, then go to the "Post Quick Reply" field at the bottom of the page and paste that text into the window, then highlight it (Ctrl A). At the top of the window, furthest to the right, is the "Wrap" button. Click that and the quote tags will appear around the highlighted text. If you want to add the quoted posters name, put =username after QUOTE in the first tag.

Excellent. Thanks for the tip.
 
I've used an Iver Johnson pt-22 over the years. Recently gave it to my son. Also have used a Charter undercover .38 spcl for farm patrol in the past. I now have a Charter 2000 Bulldog Pug in .44 spcl that I am using for farm use. I like the extra oomf with the shot shells. By the way I am over here in Cannon County. I start work at UMC next week.

We used to load shot cartridges with #9 birdshot for my dad's .357 magnum. Do you load your own?
 
Milkmaster said:
I have the Bobcat in both 22lr & 25ACP. I prefer the 22lr. 8 quickly well placed shots in close quarters are easy with this pistol. I carry it when the clothes are tight and my 642 if I got room. I don't feel vulnerable with either.

Hey neighbor. Nice pic. What kinds of ammo do you shoot out of your Bobcat?
 
Great posts people. Could someone tell me how to insert quotes? I can't figure it out, and it's driving me nuts.

I use copy and paste - mouseclick, left and highlight the part to quote, right click COPY; come down and hit the yellow button that looks like a cartoon bubble, click it, place cursor between the quote sections, right click and PASTE
 
O.K., I've selflessly spent a few hours doing a whole bunch of chronograph testing on my new to me Bobcat.:) Below are the results. Please bear in mind that I'm no ballistics expert, and my chronograph isn't perfect. For example, sometimes my chrono will display real helpful info, such as 7083 fps when firing Stingers (I apparently was too close to the chronograph, and it was picking up unburned powder. When I scooted back some more, the wild optimism faded.) At any rate, all this data is offered “as is”. I will say that I've used my chrony for several years, and the results correlate with other published data. As with most other people's findings, my measurements run a bit lower than those of the ammunition manufacturers. Measurements were taken about 6 feet from the muzzle except for CCI's hypervelocity offerings, which were at about 10 feet to avoid wild readings.

I want to stress that these results pertain to my individual gun. Bobcats are said to be finicky about ammo, so others' results may vary.

Unless otherwise indicated, three shots were measured on each type of cartridge. Abbreviations will be as follows: gr=grains, fps=average feet per second, es=extreme velocity spread, e=energy in foot/pounds, m=momentum. I used online energy calculators for the number crunching.

Aguila Colibri 20gr
351 fps, es 41, e 5.5, m 1
So quiet you can hear the bullet hit the backstop. Will feed but not cycle. Cases drop out easily.

Aguila Super Colibri 20gr
560 fps, es 24, e 14.0, m 1
Same as Colibri, but hotter. Still won't cycle. Cases have to be pulled out.

Remington Cee Bee 33gr
488 fps, es 36, e 17.4, m 2
Won't feed or cycle. If they expand at these speeds, though, they could be very useful for low noise pest control.

CCI CB short 29gr
533 fps, es 57, e 18.3, m 2
Won't feed or cycle. Spent cases will drop out if the barrel is clean.

CCI CB long 29 gr
449 fps, es 37, e 13.0, m 1
Will feed but not cycle. Spent cases will drop out if the barrel is clean. The longs are obviously a lot less powerful even though factory ballistics data are identical. I've found this to be true in every gun I've shot them in. I assume that contributing factors are less space in the case, and especially a “head start” in the shorts before engaging in the rifling.

CCI high velocity short hollow point 27gr
854 fps, es 66, e 44.7, m 3
Too short to use the magazine, but will eject and cock the hammer fairly reliably.

Remington subsonic 38gr
668 fps, es 65, e 37.6, m 3
Feeds and cycles, in spite of its low energy.

RWS subsonic 40gr
659 fps, es 29, e 38.6, m 3
Something about this ammo makes the spent cases stick like mad in my gun and not eject. It takes relatively high force to remove them from the breech. Fortunately, it won't try to cycle.

CCI subsonic segmented 40gr
798 fps, es 35, e 56.5, m 4
Great stuff, so far it's cycled perfectly, quieter than high velocity fodder, and the segmented nature of the bullets dramatically improves terminal ballistics. The bullets split into three pieces that diverge into separate wound channels. I suspect that the tissue “inside” the triangle is more or less devastated, making the most of this round's power.

Aguila subsonic 60gr
655fps, es 11, e 57.1, m 5
This is Aguila's unique 60gr offering, a very long bullet perched upon a short case. Fairly loud for a subsonic, and kicks harder than any other ammo I've tried (hardly matters with this gun. NAA minis are a different story.) It often keyholes in guns since the twist rate is set up for lighter bullets. Feeds and cycles fine. The only ammo tested with a momentum of 5.

Federal bulk high velocity hollowpoints 36gr
885fps, es 28, e 62.6, m 4
What a bargain. Feeds and cycles great, produces relatively high energy, and very cheap. I've shot more of this so far in the Bobcat than any other round (O.K., that's only 50-100 rounds so far) with no failures yet. Pundits have pointed out that the original offerings devised decades ago were optimized for their particular cartridge; the ubiquitous 36 grain hollow point is a good example of that.

CCI Velociter 40gr
857fps, es 23, e 65.2, m 4
Cycles and feeds well. Speed and power are a bit disappointing, a trend I've noticed in other firearms with this round.

Remington Yellowjacket 33gr
893 fps, es 5, e 58.4, m 4
This round has also been ballistically disappointing in testing, at least for the one box that I've bought. Feeds and cycles fine.

CCI hypervelocity segmented hollowpoint 32gr
1019fps, es 37, e 73.8, m 4
Hot stuff! These are essentially Stingers that have segmented bullets, loaded in brass rather than plated cases. According to Goldenloki.com, they have about the same penetration as Stingers. They function flawlessly. They and the Stingers are the loudest ammo I've tried in the Bobcat. 5 shots taken rather than 3, at a distance of 10 rather than 6 feet.

CCI Stingers 32gr
999fps, es 71, e 70.9, m 4
Essentially the same as above, but the numbers suffer from a low velocity shot of 957 fps. Stingers are one of the few .22 hollowpoints that will expand when shot from small pistols like the Bobcat.

Like I said, I don't have a definitive way to verify my testing, but this should provide a useful way to compare these cartridges to each other. Cheers.
 
RichardKatts said:
Thanks boatdreamer, I bought a used Bobcat today. Only had time to run a clip through it and it felt great.

Planning on a few hours at the range tomorrow.

You're welcome. Let us know how it goes.

I'm trying to shoot a mag or two a day through mine, for practice. That's one of the perks of living out in the country.
 
My front sight is currently white, modified by the previous owner. However, it's easy for it to drop out in some lighting conditions. I'm thinking about painting it red or some other bright color, or simply returning to black. Any suggestions? Also, any suggestions on how to get white paint off a matt finish???
 
I used to have one of these. It wasn't really for me and I ended up trading it on something else, but I did kinda like it.


I would probably get another one if I saw a screaming deal on it.
 
My front sight is currently white, modified by the previous owner. However, it's easy for it to drop out in some lighting conditions. I'm thinking about painting it red or some other bright color, or simply returning to black. Any suggestions? Also, any suggestions on how to get white paint off a matt finish???


Denatured Alcohol to remove.

I vise my pistols and paint 4 coats of Testor's Flouro Orange modeling paint, then apply a couple coats of clear nail polish.

Produces a really professional result.

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Four Knives said:
Denatured Alcohol to remove.

I vise my pistols and paint 4 coats of Testor's Flouro Orange modeling paint, then apply a couple coats of clear nail polish.

Produces a really professional result.

Nice work. It looks factory applied. I'll see if I can pick up some Testor's paint locally.
 
Where can I find Testor's paints?

It's paint used for model cars, airplanes, etc., right? I went by the local Walmart last week and remembered reading about this paint being recommended for gunsights. I looked for it but it appears kids don't do models anymore. Lots of video games though.
 
Probably have to visit a Hobby Shop for Testors.

Shot a bunch today, loading one magazine so I really didn't keep count, maybe 100 rnds.

I shot Winchesters HV and had several feed issues and it was more common with a full magazine. Loading one mag with six rnds seemed to do better.

I had some Federals but I left them at the house. Looks like they feed well according to "boat's" testing.
I'll shop for some CCI's too and try both of these with hopefully better transfers.

All in all it shot well and will serve my purpose, I believe I'll also shop for some Testors paint and dab some on that front sight.
 
I really need to get one of these. They look like they would be loads of fun to shoot.
 
I really need to get one of these. They look like they would be loads of fun to shoot.

They ARE loads of fun. They build skills, they're very cheap to shoot, and they're versatile. I find mine effortless to pocket carry.

I'm going to pick up some bright orange paint, either Testor's or, if I can't find it, some nail polish.
 
I shot Winchesters HV and had several feed issues and it was more common with a full magazine. Loading one mag with six rnds seemed to do better.

I had some Federals but I left them at the house. Looks like they feed well according to "boat's" testing.
I'll shop for some CCI's too and try both of these with hopefully better transfers.

I've found that being careful about loading the magazine is important. At first I was pulling the slide on down and dumping the ammo in, which is a good way to experience rim lock. I also clean the chamber and slide face with CLP now and then when I shoot a lot.
 
Just got back from the range where I did my second round of tests with my relatively new (about 400 rounds) SS Bobcat.

1. MiniMags, which all my other autos love, follow a pattern: First shot cycles partway, leaving the slide about 1/4" shy of closing. I push this with my thumb, and the rest cycle perfectly. (This is with 7 in the magazine and one in the bbl.) I should have tried loading six in the mag and one in the barrel, but for some reason I didn't.

2. Aguila SSS Sniper Subsonics, which regularly jam in my Bernardelli 60, feed perfectly. Two boxes (100 rounds) with not one misfeed. They *are* the dirtiest .22 round I've yet found, so there's probably a limit to how many you can fire.

3. CCI Stingers: I tried these after reading others say this was the perfect round for the Bobcat. Results? 100 rounds without a single FTF or FTE. I suspect the secret may be the plated case, which has a lower coefficient of friction than a plain brass case. Whatever the reason, I've found my load for this gun.
 
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