Berry's new bullet. Stage One.

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When multi stage rocket orbital lifts off, the first stage is the booster, the main lift, the massive thrust that gets the payload off the ground with breakaway speed. This is the greatest effort, when raw power are combined with precision accuracy, calculated to the nth degree. Okay, this wasn't QUITE that precise...but it IS Stage 1.

First, let me introduce an old manufacturer with a new product. Say hello to Berry Manufacturing in Utah, USA.

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Berry's has been making plated bullets since before I was born, and carries a wide range of reloading supplies as well. I think half of my blue plastic reload boxes have the Berry's name on them. :)

But, this has nothing to do with ammo boxes, but with a brand new product Berry is launching, a 7.62x39mm rifle plated rifle bullet. This is the Berry's 125 grain plated rifle bullet, sitting with the other two bullets I load currently in this caliber.

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As you can see, it is an interesting flat point design I wasn't expecting. The ogive is gracefully tapered, and the plating appears to be even and consistent. The box says Double Struck - I have NO idea what that means, but as I was to see later...it must mean something good. Bullets were measured with my handy dandy dial calipers, and in the sample group length varied from .791 to .785. I can live with that. Diameter is an exact .311.

Here we are at the beginning, box 'o bullets in the background, prepped cases up front, Loadbook of data to start with...Loadbook?

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Waitaminnit, I thought plated bullets had to be shot at cast lead velocities, shouldn't I be using the Lyman data? Ya know, I've heard that too, but I had an itch, and wanted to see what they would do at low/middle jacketed velocities. You see, Berry's has a thicker plating than other plated bullets, so I am willing to give it a go with what I have on hand at jacketed speeds. I'm told that distinct markings will show if they shed their plating in flight, and a plated bullet that sheds its plating in flight will tend to be wildly inaccurate. OK, that should be easy to spot.
Three powders are in my miniature powder magazine, my old standby, Accurate Arms #1680, then Hogdon H-335 and Hogdon H4895, both left over from my .303 and .223 loading days. Well, Loadbook has data for 7.62x39mm for both of the Hogdon powders, so lets give it a whirl, shall we?

It was a beautiful day at the range, light breeze as you...can't...see...forgot the camera. Dagnabbit. Ok, picture a beautiful morning, light cross breeze, birds singing, sun just peeking over the mountains, not bad for a morning that began with a screaming cat fight next to my ear at 0530. Seriously. See why I went to the range early? Relaxation.

First up, my old standby, Accurate Arms #1680, beginning data for a 125 grain jacketed bullet. All rounds were fired from me beloved light rifle, my CZ 527M, seated and rested. No Lead Sled yet, someday, someday. BTW, the target was made by blarby on thehighroad.org, free download. Nice work, isn't it? Thanks, dude! Squares are 1 inch diagonal.

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Not bad, but the dark marks were what I was told to expect from a plated bullet shedding the jacket. If so, not bad for "wildly inaccurate"

This was just the beginning.

Same load, group 2.

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Hmm, Consistent. Lets move it up a full grain.

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First dud. I had forgotten the CZ 527M is NOT wild about CCI 200 primers. Oops. Next series will be loaded with the Remington 9 1/2s. Group 2 with 24 grains of AA#1680.

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That's not bad at all. Well, lets see what the bottom load of H-335 will do - whoa! That's a FULL case! I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to try this one. It had substantial recoil for the caliber.

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Well, it shot quite well. Group 2.

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Not bad at all, but the recoil was stiffer than I thought it should be. Cases showed no signs of over pressure whatsoever. OK, last powder, H4895. What can it do at it's beginning load data from Loadbook?

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Not bad. ANOTHER dud. Gah. Group 2.

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Great Scott. That's a five shot group, or should I say two, two shot 1 hole groups and a flyer! Found the sweet spot already?

Every target exhibited the "leading" ring, but if this is a "wildly inaccurate" bullet, I'll eat my rifle, butt first. Without salt. Or hot sauce.

Well, all I can say is wow, this is an excellent bullet. If you have ever loaded for this caliber, you NEED to try this bullet. Berrys' got this one right, right out of the gate.

In the CZ 527M bolt action carbine this works like a champ. But what about in the semi-auto vz-58???

Stage one burn complete, detach. Stand by for Stage Two ignition....
 
Double Struck means the bullet was sized a second time after the plating. Most plated bullets aren't sized again after plating, but Berry's is now sizing all of their bullets a second time, both for pistol and rifle.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
They are not shedding their jackets, or they would not shoot that well. That is merely fouling.
 
They are not shedding their jackets, or they would not shoot that well. That is merely fouling.

Yeah, what you will get when the jacket has been compromised is a lead spiral. Looks almost like a 2 arm spiral galaxy.

At least with pistol ammo. The extra dark rings are just because plated lead is usually softer than jacketed, and you squeegee more crud out of the barrel due to the tighter seal.
 
Looks like a great bullet for my single shot 30-30, great report, thanks.
BTW, 10mm/.40 shooters should also know that Berry's has a new thicker plated .401"/165 flat point for those who like speed.
 
Yep, I was told about the REAL signs of a plated bullet coming apart after I posted this one. :) Thanks, though, I do appreciate it, haven't used plated in a long time. This is a really nice bullet, enjoy it quite a bit!
 
Berrys new bullet, Stage TWO

Stage two ignition, commence secondary burn...

In the first section of this review of Berry's new plated 125 grain .311 bullet for the 7.62x39mm, I threw caution to the wind and loaded them to middle jacketed bullet velocities, and would up with excellent results from my 18 inch barreled CZ 527M. Today I was set to try several of the same painstakingly assembled bullets from the last trip, plus a few differences.
The vz-58 is a semi auto clone of a military pattern rifle, with a 16 inch barrel, actually 15 and a half with a permanently attached extension for NFA '34 compliance. This meant it wasn't likely to be as accurate as the 527M, and had proved so in the past. So lets make it a little different, shall we? The first handloads were loaded with the powder in the scale pan, until every round was exactly the same, so as to remove as many variables as possible. So this time, we used the RBCS Uniflow powder measure, which HATES the H 4895, BTW. Lets also leave the supporting blocks and rest at home, and go with the old fashioned seated unsupported. When I got to the range, though, the 300 yard range was busy, so I decided I'd cheat and set up on the 50. So long as everybody knows at wasn't at 100!
Windy. Target stand blew down once. Last time this happened I shot the stand, same rifle, 300 yards. Hmm. Bad juju.
I happen to have a stripper clip of old Wolf FMJ ammo, which the vz-58 isn't really fond of, but will shoot.

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Yikes, my game is OFF! Not a good sign. Well, I always said I would show the results, whether it be good, bad or ugly...

So, lets load up the first Berrys, and we will....

What the....


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Houston, we have a problem.

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I am seeing the famous flower petals. :(

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Lets save the nice sight-in targets, and switch to the cheap low ink use ones. At this time I am thinking I know what's wrong, but not positive. Second control group with Wolf.

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Nope, nice clean round bullet holes. Great googly moogly. I dern done did it.
[Jim Bakker Voice] I have sinned![/Jim Bakker Voice]
Yep, we have exceeded the design limits of this bullet. Perhaps it's the shorter barrel, but for some reason it's definitely shedding at jacketed speeds in this rifle.
Well, now I know what I need to do, and that is load for the vz-58 at a cast load level, and re try.

BUT, I still have some loaded up, and flowering petals or not, I wanna shoot just a BIT more. So I broke out my old blue man target - you who have followed my CZ SP-01 Phantom reports will recognize this guy. Rolled up for so long the taped over holes are yellowed, so I taped over the last holes, set him up, and blew in my last 20 rounds.

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Holes look better at this distance. :) Hmm, one went..."elsewhere"... *Sigh*. I know from the first test it ISN'T the bullet, it's the loader. Time to get back to the press and try again. I know where I goofed, and I think I know how to fix it.

Houston, we have achieved an unstable orbit, attempting to correct.
 
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