Best 3" .38?

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Mastrogiacomo

Mastrogiacomo

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I'm looking for something for work -- the barrel length is not an issue but it does have to be a .38 and not a .357 with .38 ammo. I've narrowed it down to two possible choices: the S&W 64 3" or the Ruger SP101 3." Which is the better gun price wise and handling?
 
The Ruger is probably stronger but the S&W has the better action (trigger, etc) and and extra round (6 vs 5). I have a Model 10, 3" RB that would be my choice if I was forced to carry a 38 Special. I would recommend the 3" RB Model 64 if stainless is your choice.
 
Price difference should be about $70 on new guns, but that really all depends. It can be $50 or $150 depending on your dealer and what you find. The model 64 with firing pin on hammer is much to be preferred (IMHO) over newer Smiths and the Ruger for any purposed except concealed carry. Even then, I would pick the Smith, but difference in size means little to me. It may make all the difference in the world to you. The Ruger is maybe 3 or 4oz lighter, and may outlast the S&W. Again I could care less, but it may be of consequence to you. I can’t get used to the cylinder release and ejector rod of the Ruger, but if you have no strong preference then you will have no problem. The S&W trigger is it’s only tangible advantage, but I like the way the gun feels (between the two) and that is enough.

Out of curiosity, why no 357? You reduce your resale value and limit yourself without benefit. I will not try to change your mind, but am interested to understand. You also eliminate some fine guns like the S&W 65 Ladysmith, my second favorite K frame. I’d have a brace of them if it weren’t for objections to the name.

David
 
Like Dave T, I'd use my 3" RB, HB Model 10. The Model 64 is pretty much the same gun, only with a soulectomy, so I'd probably pick it over the Ruger five-shooter. :)

Out of curiosity, why no 357? You reduce your resale value and limit yourself without benefit.
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Probably because of regulations. This is the main reason Smith still catalogs the Model 10 and Model 64: some LE departments, security companies, et al require that the gun be a .38 Special.
 
Funny you should ask...:D the LS65 was actually my first choice. Someone in our class had a Ruger SP101 .357 but used .38s. He asked if it was alright to use his gun as long as he put .38 loads in it. The instructor said no because from a liability stand point, it could be argued that the guard put .357 loads in the gun. If it's a .38 -- there's no chance of that happening because it'll only accept that caliber. I may not run out to buy this right away because I too would love the Lady Smith first. I was just curious which had the best trigger and handling of the too. I doubt it'd be knocked around much at all.
 
I got a used Model 60 in 38 with 3", and I've been quite happy with it - so I'd recommend the Smith.

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S&W 65 Ladysmith, my second favorite K frame. I’d have a brace of them if it weren’t for objections to the name.
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A Blacksmith warms his material until it softens, then bangs it hard enough to change its shape;
Let's see, that would imply that a Ladysmith does what??
 
Tamara,

I reread the original post and it became clear. "For work" enough said, been there and fought that. Unless it were department policy, I'd carry a 357. The whole 357 liability thing is just time tested BS. If a 357 is loaded with 38's and you need to use it, you will have the fired brass to prove it. There is no room for error. I have carried a 64 "for work" with issue 158 LRN no less. Just a bonehead admin hangup (although in some state, private security is limited by law as to what they can carry).

I am probably the only person on this forum that will choose a a 64 over a model 10. My sweat eats bluing for lunch and Robar has seen the last of my money.

Good luck Mastrogiacomo! If you really want a 65LS, I know a machinist with no scruples that will mill off the markings on the barrel and stamp 38 S&W Special in their place. In fact, I bet he could replace the ladysmith with MANGUN! I better give him a call! 

David
 
Thanks David, but as a woman I don't have that hang up with the Lady Smith being branded on the gun...:D

I felt as you did by the way about the .38. My question was obviously they'll have proof I fired a .38 round by looking at the casings or by extracting the bullet from the person I fired upon. I couldn't figure why my .357 wouldn't have been enough. Again, stupid policies we all need to play by...I'll be holding off on the .38 though until I'm sure I'll need it. I'd rather use mine than theirs because I won't be allowed to take their firearm home with me. I don't know how we're supposed to get comfortable with a gun we've never shot.

Laura ;)
 
Laura,

I was talking about the caliber markings on the barrel! Erase the 357 Magnum and stamp it 38 Special and nobody has to know but you. Actually, I remembered your femininity, 5'2" and into martial arts if I recall.

I may be old, and may forget even my Gun Fu on occasion, but I have my days!

David
 
My Favorite guns are Older Smiths in 3" RB.
I understand the "work requirement" even so I like a dedicated .38spl anyway. Heck I just like .38spl. - period.

Model 10 as Tamara eluded to "has soul" . While I like my 3" model 64 RB with HB...it ain't got soul. I ain't getting rid of it either. :p

Depending on your hands, and gun fit to you...an older Model 10 3" RB with a set of Eagle Grips in Rosewood...the bees knees. :cool:
 
If you don't need to conceal the gun, ie , if it's a belt gun go for the Smith 64 with its extra round. Another advantage of a revolver chambered in 38 special over one chambered in .357 is slightly higher velocity when shooting 38s.
 
I hear a lot about the Model 10 3" but I've yet to see one. I'll certainly keep my eyes open, but if I find I need to pick up a .38 -- I'll probably lean to the 64. I've also never come across a 3" model 60 in a .38 caliber...go figure.
 
Well...you have seen pics of 3" K frame RB's ( 10 and 64)...folks that have them dont' let them out of arms reach - often - if you get my drift :D

Folks tend to get " downright attached to them. :p

Model 10 and 64 , the K frame have the ability to have "better triggers" due to the design of springs over the J Frame sized 60. There is nothing wrong with J Frame, a model 60 or the Model 36 in a 3" version...it is another one folks tend to hold onto. ;)

Now the last ones I saw were ordered on-line as these were police trade -ins.

I betcha Tamara, Markos...somebody could run one down for ya. These are one of the guns one can buy without having handled, or shot and be assured they have a firearm they will be happy with. I wouldn't worry about finish personally so much. The Older ones have sweet actions. The ability to fine tune [ if need] ...actually most just need an inspection clean and lube and a set of grips that fits the shooter.

Felt recoil on a K frame is a little better to handle and has an advantage over the J frame IMO. Especially new shooters. Hence the reason I use K frames to teach new folks. With practice and experience folks - like yourself- manage the J frame just fine.

Just IMO a K frame for a duty gun is the better bet.

HTH
 
My own choice would be a Colt Diamondback or its granddad, the Police Positive. If you must have a S&W, I suggest a pencil barrel 3" M10. I used a RB M36 in 3" when I was in private security.
 
Greeting's All-

I know this isn't own your list as a top priority,
but I like my friend Josey's idea of a 3" RB
(or SB for me) Smith & Wesson model 36.
True, these are only 5-shooter's; but they
are neat little revolver's! :cool: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I have been carrying, and shooting, a 3" Model 60 for a few years now. This is a very handy, lightweight, and accurate little revolver. I had my leather guy (Andrews Leather) make a tension saddle style holster, and I carry it cross draw. After trying a number of different loads, I found that the 125 grain NyClad shoots right to Point of Aim. What luck:D Trust me, I stocked up heavy on that, too.
 
I've got both a model 60 and 64 in 3". Both are .38. The model 60 is older, hence the .38sp only.

The smallness of the 60 is nice, but I prefer the 64 because of the extra round. 'No adjustable sights to worry about snagging when drawn.

If you get a 64 and need extra help with locating the target, these CT grips should be out any time now.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/lg_306.html

Perfect combination. That's what I want.

-Robert
 
I went to springfield armory NHS this past weekend. I took a side trip to the smith and wessen store. They had lots of goodies. I also thought the were prices were good. As a am from Virginia I could not buy but a nice store and a great range. Springfield armory was great. Patrick
 
Model 10s

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976249242.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976244923.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976443373.htm


Model 64s

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976257770.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976434610.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976434606.htm

Gotta admit it. I always hated the M&P style revos, and they're still not my fave...but they look OK in a 3" HB/RB format. I now have a M13 and a M64 in that style, and they really do balance well, and look decent. Oh yeah, they shoot like dreams, too.

Mike
 
I dunno if anybody is interested: the Sortsmans Guide has a current sale on NEW COLT production (old stock) 3" detective special barrels in blue OR 4" VIPER barrels in Blue for $9.99!!! Yeah 10 bucks and you can screw one of these on your DS (3") and raise value $100 OR Screw the Viper model on an old Cobra and raise the value $200!!!!:evil:
 
My first choice would be a S&W Model 10 3" HB.

Second choice would be a Colt Detective Special 3".

Third choice, a S&W Model 60 3", full underlug, with adjustable sights.

The 3" Model 10 stands head and shoulders above the rest, though. It's a near-perfect CCW gun, second only to the 3" Model 13 or 65.
 
Was just shooting my 3" Model 65 last night. Quite accurate with Speer Lawman 158 grain +P .38 TMJ. Popping SG shells at 7 yards accurate.

John
 
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