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An Anschutz for $ 450 ?
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Best Accuracy for $$22LR CZ455,RugAmer,mar XT22??
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TexasPatriot.308
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I have a single shot "Sears and Roebuck" that either scoped or with irons will pop the head off a watter moccasin in the water at 50 yards with no problem and I kill plenty of em. think this rifle was made by Marlin for S&R years ago. with a scope, I cut the same hole regular at 50 yards, and have for 45 years. am sure CZ and others are nice, just not gonna spend $$$$ on em, my only other .22 is a Ruger 10/22...... just get the job done day after day.
Have a cz455, had a 10-22target, have a tc carbine and anschutz 141 sporter. 10-22 never lived up to expectations, even after a couple hundred bucks worth of accuracy mods. Cz was great after a simple trigger job. Anschutz is a treat after it decides it is ready to group for the day(may be from five to twenty shots to settle in). TC, with a simple 4X TC scope has given some of the best day to day groups with relatively inexpensive ammo(cci minimag hp). The others all have quality scopes, ranging from 6-18 to 6-24X. Prices paid, relatively recently, Anschutz $450, 455 $455, TC $275(a steal, but they don't seem to go well in our area). I'd be happy saddled with any one of them.
MaterDei
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The OP asked which of the rifles he mentioned had the best accuracy. The consensus on this thread is clearly the CZ. I would agree with this.
Had you asked for best accuracy for the dollar then that is a more difficult question to answer because value is more relative than accuracy.
With that said, you can't go wrong with any of your choices, they are all good rifles.
Had you asked for best accuracy for the dollar then that is a more difficult question to answer because value is more relative than accuracy.
With that said, you can't go wrong with any of your choices, they are all good rifles.
351 WINCHESTER
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CZ's are usually very accurate as are the Winchester Wildcat (out of production) - made in Russia.
Skylerbone
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Maybe the title is confusing,
I interpret that to mean best buy for least money. My CZ is beginning to distinguish itself as one of if not the most accurate rimfire I own but for 4X what my Marlin cost and only the slightest bit more accurate. If the question is best of the 3, I'd throw in for CZ.
OP, if you're willing to spend double the price of a Savage I cannot recommend the CZ enough. With a simple shim, removal of the trigger spring nut and smoothing of the bolt's underside mine is smooth, comfortable, balanced and accurate with a sub-3lb. trigger. Took two hours work to get it there but worth the effort.
I interpret that to mean best buy for least money. My CZ is beginning to distinguish itself as one of if not the most accurate rimfire I own but for 4X what my Marlin cost and only the slightest bit more accurate. If the question is best of the 3, I'd throw in for CZ.
OP, if you're willing to spend double the price of a Savage I cannot recommend the CZ enough. With a simple shim, removal of the trigger spring nut and smoothing of the bolt's underside mine is smooth, comfortable, balanced and accurate with a sub-3lb. trigger. Took two hours work to get it there but worth the effort.
I think the CZ is the best rifle for the money. I would argue that if you were to divide group size by price spent, it wouldn't beat the base model Savage or Marlin, though I'm guessing it would with the Ruger. There is more to a rifle than simply the group size, and the CZ does those other things better. If accuracy per dollar is the only goal, it's probably not the best buy, but that Anschutz will be a horrible buy with such a standard. An old Marlin 60 for $100 used is nearly impossible to beat when doing an accuracy per dollar spent review.
arthury
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Shot my friend's CZ running 22LR and it was a straight shooter. Finely tuned machine and good trigger, too.
Deus Machina
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Looks like you've got a range to pick from. I can't argue against any of them.
I'm not joking or exaggerating when I say that my very basic $120 Wal-mart Savage Mark 2 will do that, with Winchester Dynapoint GT bulk.
But only with Winchester Dynapoint GT. I'm hanging onto the last box I found.
I'm not joking or exaggerating when I say that my very basic $120 Wal-mart Savage Mark 2 will do that, with Winchester Dynapoint GT bulk.
But only with Winchester Dynapoint GT. I'm hanging onto the last box I found.
Skylerbone
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Examples of what my 452 will do at 50 yds. with Aguila SE Subsonic (.08/round, not bulk) using a $20 used 3-9X Tasco. 5-shot groups.
With a 20mph gusting crosswind, blowing right to left:
On a calm day:
I've yet to find bulk ammo that shoots with as few flyers or as well as Aguila and even it displays what I considered a flyer. Perhaps I couldn't stand the hit to my ego but I was shooting as well that day as any and had a half-dozen other similar targets without a second hole. I wish this rifle or any other I own was 1/2 MOA at 50 with bulk, it would save me some serious coin!
With a 20mph gusting crosswind, blowing right to left:
On a calm day:
I've yet to find bulk ammo that shoots with as few flyers or as well as Aguila and even it displays what I considered a flyer. Perhaps I couldn't stand the hit to my ego but I was shooting as well that day as any and had a half-dozen other similar targets without a second hole. I wish this rifle or any other I own was 1/2 MOA at 50 with bulk, it would save me some serious coin!
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plexreticle
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Most 22LRs will shoot surprisingly well if you use quality ammo it likes. Money is better spent on quality ammo if consistent accuracy is your goal.
I would like to ad that shooting a freakishly small group one or twice doesn't make a rifle a 1/4 or 1/2 MOA shooter, especially with bulk ammo.
I would like to ad that shooting a freakishly small group one or twice doesn't make a rifle a 1/4 or 1/2 MOA shooter, especially with bulk ammo.
The_Next_Generation
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Savages are cheap and accurate, but I'd be curious about the Ruger American in 22lr as well. I handled one of them in my local shop and it seemed like it was built to a higher standard than the ~$160 savage.
However, if you are looking for a nice rifle with great craftsmanship I'd go with the CZ. In a few years you'll forget about the extra $$$ you spent on it but you'll have a great, high quality firearm.
I was in a similar boat as you a few years ago when I bought my first rifle. I went with a CZ 452 trainer (LOVE the tangent sights!) when all my friends chose Savages...everytime we go out with our 22s they mention how they regret not spending the extra bucks for the nicer rifle.
The sights on the CZ trainers are great because the sighs are calibrated from 25-200m. You mentioned weight was a concern so having iron sights as an option means that you wont need a heavy scope. Also, I believe the Ruger American also sports iron sights, but they can't be adjusted on the fly for various ranges like the CZ tangent sights.
TLDR = Get the CZ!
However, if you are looking for a nice rifle with great craftsmanship I'd go with the CZ. In a few years you'll forget about the extra $$$ you spent on it but you'll have a great, high quality firearm.
I was in a similar boat as you a few years ago when I bought my first rifle. I went with a CZ 452 trainer (LOVE the tangent sights!) when all my friends chose Savages...everytime we go out with our 22s they mention how they regret not spending the extra bucks for the nicer rifle.
The sights on the CZ trainers are great because the sighs are calibrated from 25-200m. You mentioned weight was a concern so having iron sights as an option means that you wont need a heavy scope. Also, I believe the Ruger American also sports iron sights, but they can't be adjusted on the fly for various ranges like the CZ tangent sights.
TLDR = Get the CZ!
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aarondhgraham
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All I know is,,,
Of all of my .22 rifles,,,
I hit better with my CZ-452 Military Trainer than any other rifle.
It outshoots my H&R Sportster,,,
Mossberg 702 Plinkster,,,
Beretta NEOS Carbine.
I have a Henry Acu-Bolt single-shot that I do well with,,,
But the longer barrel/sight radius of the 452 makes a big difference.
Like The_Next_Generation stated,,,
The adjustable sights are just so very nice,,,
I adjusted the front sight until I had it perfect at 50 meters,,,
Now the sight settings at 25 meters, 50 meters, and 100 meters are spot on.
I did wince when I clicked the "Buy" button for the CZ,,,
But now that I've owned it for a while,,,
I don't regret the price one whit.
It doesn't hurt that it is also a beautiful rifle.
The only rifle I own that might be as inherently accurate,,,
Is my old Mossberg 340KC with target peep sights,,,
It has the same long barrel length as the CZ,,,
And is as accurate as the day is long.
I've heard that is typical of the older Mossberg rifles,,,
Something about the barrels being match grade.
Anyways, if you buy the CZ,,,
There will be no doubt of the accuracy potential,,,
So my recommendation is to pony up the cash and buy yourself one.
You won't be sorry.
Aarond
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Of all of my .22 rifles,,,
I hit better with my CZ-452 Military Trainer than any other rifle.
It outshoots my H&R Sportster,,,
Mossberg 702 Plinkster,,,
Beretta NEOS Carbine.
I have a Henry Acu-Bolt single-shot that I do well with,,,
But the longer barrel/sight radius of the 452 makes a big difference.
Like The_Next_Generation stated,,,
The adjustable sights are just so very nice,,,
I adjusted the front sight until I had it perfect at 50 meters,,,
Now the sight settings at 25 meters, 50 meters, and 100 meters are spot on.
I did wince when I clicked the "Buy" button for the CZ,,,
But now that I've owned it for a while,,,
I don't regret the price one whit.
It doesn't hurt that it is also a beautiful rifle.
The only rifle I own that might be as inherently accurate,,,
Is my old Mossberg 340KC with target peep sights,,,
It has the same long barrel length as the CZ,,,
And is as accurate as the day is long.
I've heard that is typical of the older Mossberg rifles,,,
Something about the barrels being match grade.
Anyways, if you buy the CZ,,,
There will be no doubt of the accuracy potential,,,
So my recommendation is to pony up the cash and buy yourself one.
You won't be sorry.
Aarond
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CZ. Have a Savage MKII and have been disappointed with it aside from the trigger, which is probably the best budget trigger. The CZ's I have shot have been more accurate.
Now that said, what is your budget? I have seen Anschutz older 54-series position shooting rifles for good prices. In fact, I now a guy locally who is selling two. The Savage Anschutz rifles can also sometimes be found for very cheap and are also quite good.
Now that said, what is your budget? I have seen Anschutz older 54-series position shooting rifles for good prices. In fact, I now a guy locally who is selling two. The Savage Anschutz rifles can also sometimes be found for very cheap and are also quite good.
The_Next_Generation
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aaron, great idea with the pictures 
Here are some of mine!
Here's a good one with the rear adjustable sight so you can see how that looks:
Here's one of a group I shot on a plate at 200yds with the open sights
Here are some of mine!
Here's a good one with the rear adjustable sight so you can see how that looks:
Here's one of a group I shot on a plate at 200yds with the open sights
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Another thing is how much tinkering you want to do. My CZ like all new rifles needed a bore cleaning. Other than that it came with a test target and was ready to shoot. Savage, Ruger, Marlin and Remington not so much. Each new rifle I bought in the last few years from them was not ready to shoot. Either the sights were way off or the gun did not even function or both. The Savage had to be returned, the Ruger is at the factory being repaired. Both had serious issues, no quality control at all. The Marlin functioned fine but the sights, like the Ruger were way off. The Remington was the same as the Marlin. Rather than test at the factory some just send them out and fix after they are sold. Others may have had good rifles out of the box, but only the CZ was ready to shoot for me.
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MaterDei
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It just amazes me how every single thread like this turns into a CZ love fest. I can't think of any other gun that has such a loyal following.
OP, you have your answer. All of your choices are acceptable but the CZ stands head and shoulders above the others though admittedly you will spend more for it. Once you own one you will soon forget the extra dollars and admire its beauty, craftsmanship and accuracy.
OP, you have your answer. All of your choices are acceptable but the CZ stands head and shoulders above the others though admittedly you will spend more for it. Once you own one you will soon forget the extra dollars and admire its beauty, craftsmanship and accuracy.
clance
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The "lovefest" is probably due to the fact that for the money, the CZ has the best value for the dollar over most other firearms.
Once you go CZ you won't go back!
redneck2
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I have maybe forty guns total. Two are CZ rifles. If I absolutely had to start selling them off, the two CZ would be among the final five left
The most accuracy for the money goes to Savage in my safe. It slightly outshoots my CZ 453 but mine is a bull barrel model. The sporter models are also accurate. BUT IMO the CZ is a much more robust rifle and will be shooting tiny groups when the Savage is a closet relic. I have older Savages that were very well made but the MkII isn't IMO. It isn't terrible or anything. It's just that the CZ is much better built.
The Marlin XT series is also very well built. I love mine. The trigger is great but not AccuTrigger great. Still for $200 it's a great package.
I also love my 795 and my 60SS. Both are well made and accurate. If I wanted to carry a rifle all day it would no doubt be the 795. It's light as a feather after about 2 miles or more compared to the other rifles in my collection. It's plenty accurate too and very inexpensive. You'd freak if you knew what I paid for mine brand new ($35). But that's a long story about lots of luck.
If I wanted a rifle to shoot small varmints and be with me the rest of my life for not a lot of money I'd get the Marlin XT. Solid, accurate and built to last.
The Marlin XT series is also very well built. I love mine. The trigger is great but not AccuTrigger great. Still for $200 it's a great package.
I also love my 795 and my 60SS. Both are well made and accurate. If I wanted to carry a rifle all day it would no doubt be the 795. It's light as a feather after about 2 miles or more compared to the other rifles in my collection. It's plenty accurate too and very inexpensive. You'd freak if you knew what I paid for mine brand new ($35). But that's a long story about lots of luck.
If I wanted a rifle to shoot small varmints and be with me the rest of my life for not a lot of money I'd get the Marlin XT. Solid, accurate and built to last.
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Its that best buy for the $$ that's the bugger. Buy the XT-22 add a Mueller apv 4.5-14 scope and a set of weaver rings and base and with a mid priced standard velocity ammo of its choice and be capable of shoot 1/2" to 3/8" 50 yard groups. I bought one for my daughter a couple months back. Nice rifle.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/72788/Marlin+XT22VR+22+BA+HB+7+SYN
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/72788/Marlin+XT22VR+22+BA+HB+7+SYN
How accurate is "accurate enough"?
CZ 453 - like the 452 but with a set trigger.
As it came to me, this one has extraordinary wood.
I set it up to be the .22 analog for my .308 precision rig, right down to the ubertactical bolt knob ...
Then added: (1) a stock pack to hold extra mags and provide precise cheek alignment with (2) the 3-9 illuminated Osprey scope (yeah, a cheapy but it's got surprisingly clear glass); (3) a cheapy bipod w/ Schuster lock lever added; and (4) mil-match sling.
Don't have a pic of the target, but using the set-trigger I put 6-shots into a .45" bug hole from 50-yds.
Then there's the least accurate of my five .22 rifles (or six, if you include the .22lr upper for my AR).
That one's an old All-Weather stainless Ruger 77/22. Just so we're clear, it's not inaccurate. I can hit squirrels and such at reasonable distances - generally inside 75yds. But it's extremely finincky about the type of ammo it likes, and even then it likes to take a while to settle in.
That said, it's accurate enough for a .22 "beater" rifle, and it has served well for late-night window sniping. Thus far, I've popped 3 coons and 2 possums with it using Aquila's 60gn subsonic "sniper" load. It wears a 3-pt improvised "Ching sling," which helps immensely in getting stablized for a quick shot.
This coon weighed in at 44.8lbs.
CZ 453 - like the 452 but with a set trigger.
As it came to me, this one has extraordinary wood.
I set it up to be the .22 analog for my .308 precision rig, right down to the ubertactical bolt knob ...
Then added: (1) a stock pack to hold extra mags and provide precise cheek alignment with (2) the 3-9 illuminated Osprey scope (yeah, a cheapy but it's got surprisingly clear glass); (3) a cheapy bipod w/ Schuster lock lever added; and (4) mil-match sling.
Don't have a pic of the target, but using the set-trigger I put 6-shots into a .45" bug hole from 50-yds.
Then there's the least accurate of my five .22 rifles (or six, if you include the .22lr upper for my AR).
That one's an old All-Weather stainless Ruger 77/22. Just so we're clear, it's not inaccurate. I can hit squirrels and such at reasonable distances - generally inside 75yds. But it's extremely finincky about the type of ammo it likes, and even then it likes to take a while to settle in.
That said, it's accurate enough for a .22 "beater" rifle, and it has served well for late-night window sniping. Thus far, I've popped 3 coons and 2 possums with it using Aquila's 60gn subsonic "sniper" load. It wears a 3-pt improvised "Ching sling," which helps immensely in getting stablized for a quick shot.
This coon weighed in at 44.8lbs.
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