Best barrel?

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Hi guys,hate to ask this sort of question, but which of these companies makes the best barrels?

Lothar Walther
Shilen
Krieger

Added to that point, which is best a CM or SS barrel?

A centrefire barrel, to be used in competition.

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Broughton, Brux, Bartlein. Krieger, Lilja, shilen. Never owned a Lothar Walther, but have seen enough to consider one, just don't ever think of them when I place orders.

Best to find your gun builder first, appropriate for your competition type, and talk with them about what they believe is best fit.
 
What rifle and type of competitive shooting will it be used with?

Stainless ones tend to be best.
 
For aftermarket barrels where accuracy is the most important consideration. I always think of the three B's : Bartlein, Broughton, and Brux. If those aren't somewhat available I look at Krieger.
 
Well, I personally cant tell you what the best barrel is, the brands mentioned are all top tier manufactures. I also cant speak from a competition point view, but as a hunter that needs a cold bore shot with perfect bullet placement. Shilen got me their, they may not be as good as Bartlien, but you got to say something about a company that can straighten out a Ruger Mini 14

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I can only speak for what I went with. About 7 years ago I had Kelbly's in Ohio rebarrel one of my varmint rifles. I went with Krieger over the other choices and have been very happy with how it shoots.

As to CM or SS. They asked me 3 times what I wanted and each time I said CM. Every time I said CM they told me to go SS, after they asked the fourth time I went SS, figured they knew more then me.
 
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I have a Pac Nor that shoots very well. When I ordered it all the other makers I looked at had 6 month plus lead times.
 
Of the three in the OP, Kreiger offers barrels with cut rifling. Brux and Lilja do as well.
It's my understanding that stainless is longer lasting, but doesn't dissipate the heat of rapid fire as well as chrome molly. (?)
 
Yes, stainless lasts less than chrome moly. About 5%.

Stainless is easier (cheaper?) to finish at tiny tolerances. And resists corrosion better
 
I am not a competition shooter, but I have been shooting pdogs for decades. I have used Shilen, Hart, Kreiger, Douglas and Pac-nor. All have shot very well, as I am all about accuracy. The big selling point about Stainless is they are cheaper to build, as you don't have to blue and polish them. I have a new Bartlein 6br that i haven't shot yet, waiting on a stock and a scope. All of them are nice, if you are serious about the best one available, ask a competition shooter that consistently wins. You will probably get different answers from them too.
 
The best barrel makers all make good barrels. I recall asking the Marine Rifle Team Armorers what barrels they were using, and they had virtually name I had ever heard of on one of their rifles on the firing line. Barrel makers gave them barrels, they assembled rifles, and at the time, their accuracy criteria was 10 shots at 300 yards, I think, a three inch group. A bit fuzzy on the group size.

I talked to Wilson barrels when Wilson match barrel blanks were cheap at $80.00. The rep I talked to said all the magic words about tolerances and barrel finish, I bought a bunch of 30 caliber blanks and they are outstanding barrels. Wilson barrel also come on NM grade Armalite, Rock River, Bushmaster rifles. They are button rifled barrels. Wilson barrels told me they used to furnish cheap barrels to Ruger, at about $7.00 apiece, and I am going to say, the $7.00 Wilson barrel on my vintage 257 Roberts Ruger is horrible. Wont' group worth a hoot. You get what you pay for.

A barrel maker told me that the barrel maker's understanding and control of his processes are more important than anything else. Button rifled barrels and cut rifled barrels, the manufacturing process is different, and they all have different, but critical process than can go wrong. And all producers can and do produce accurate barrels. Buy by reputation and price.

Most of my match rifles have Kreiger barrels, they are outstanding barrels. They are also very tight so be prepared to cut your loads by about 1.5 grains or more, as you will be popping primers on loads developed in button rifle barrels.

Barrel steels are relatively soft, so they can be deep drilled. The metal can vary a lot and erosion is highly variable,. Lee Land the President's 100 winner told me of a barrel he had that the throat erosion increased by one every 88 shots. That barrel eroded out in an abnormal amount of time. I am of the opinion that there is little difference in barrel life between stainless and chrome moly, and that is primarily due to the variability of barrel materials. A steel billet varies considerably in composition. So do the barrels made from steel blanks.

I like stainless barrels. The cost difference between a chrome moly and stainless is a wash when you add in the $70 to blue the chrome moly.

A good quality barrel is very important but so is a good chambering job. If the gunsmith ovals the chamber with his reamer, he has just ruined the barrel.
 
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All the service teams shooting 30 caliber semiauto match grade service rifles used the 3 inch average standard at 300 yards. That was the best good lots of M118 match ammo would do.

With good hand loads or commercial match ammo, groups half that size were normal in the best rebuilt M14NM and M1 rifles in 7.62 NATO. No surprise as the military 172-gr match bullets used in each lot of M118 match ammo were not all that great. Replacing it with a Sierra 168 or 180 HPMK made 300 yard groups shrink near half.
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Most interesting to me was the military's Springfield Armory's service grade single pass broach rifled barrels made near the end of life for the broach air gauged as tight and uniform as commercial match barrels. Those standard barrels so gauged were set aside for highest quality match grade rebuilds.
 
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