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Best place to buy a Mosin Nagant?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 308sc, Apr 28, 2008.

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  1. 308sc

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    Hi,

    I was wondering where is the best place to buy a Mosin Nagant? What websites do most of you buy yours from? I'm pretty sure i have decided on getting the full size 91/30 rifle....but if you can convince me the carbine is better i would consider that too. I have heard all this stuff about receivers.....hex, round? which is better? And last what else should I look out for when purchasing one of these rifles?

    Thanks,

    Ryan
     
  2. lvcat2004

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    visit:

    www.7.62x54r.net

    They have a lot of answers for your question. aimsurplus has some of the cheapest pricers on the net hat I've seen. I bought both of mine from big5 sports, but I think that's a west coast chain. price was $79 for both my m44 and 91/30, and nice thing is that I can hand pick what I wanted.
     
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    AIM is a good place.
     
  4. 308sc

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    what places are know for carrying "accurate" mosin nagants......if there are any places?
     
  5. akolleth

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    Call them at 928-445-9650, ask for Jose

    Have him hand pick an ex-sniper for $79.99 plus shipping. The sniper rifles were chosen from all the rifles at the factory because of their higher levels of accuracy. Plus its pretty neat to have a Mosin that was actually a sniper back in WWII.
     
  6. Vaarok

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    I would suggest Wholesale Guns And Ammo. Get an antique M-39 and don't look back.
     
  7. cracked butt

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    Anywhere that you can physically inspect them yourself. Ordering them from a distributer/importer gives you a pig-in-a-poke chance of getting a good one, better off paying a little more to inspect them at a Dunhams, Big 5, or Gander Mountain. If it doesn't have a bright shiny (new looking) bore without a counterbore, pass it up for one that does.


    I would buy a M39 sight unseen, but that's my only exception.
     
  8. DMK

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    While the occasional 91/30 will shoot pretty good, most Mosin Nagants vary widely as far as quality. It can be a real crapshoot where bore diameter, stock bedding and trigger quality are concerned.

    The best bet for a good shooting Mosin Nagant is the M39. It's quite a bit more expensive at $200-300, but well, well, worth it.

    You can get M39s from:

    http://www.gunsnammo.com/ (buy one of the antiques and you don't need an FFL)

    http://www.southernohiogun.com/surrifle.htm
     
  9. grimjaw

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    Best place to buy a Mosin Nagant:

    From me! I have a lovely '32 Tula I'll sell you for cheap, love you long time, PM me.

    ;P

    jm
     
  10. offthepaper

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    Are they actually "ex-snipers" for that price? I would think a true "ex-sniper" MN would be much more.
     
  11. akolleth

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    Yes they are actual ex-snipers. You are paying the $69.99 for a 91/30 base price and a $10 handselect fee for ex-sniper. Jose will set you up right.

    I just got my 1943 Tula Ex-PU from them last week--
     
  12. mp510

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    I'm not real keen on buying a Soviet Mosin by mail-order, but does the JG Ex-Sniper come with the accessory pack- bayonet, sling, oiler, etc....

    It might be worth taking the risk on one of those.
     
  13. offthepaper

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    So these have a factory bent bolt (not from the drill and tap kit) and the receiver is also drilled and tapped? If so, I might have to give Jose a call.
     
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    I have a Tula ex-sniper from 1936 with a hex receiver that that I bought from J&G last year. The taps were filled in and the bolt was not bent so I don't believe that was original to the rifle. With these rifles what you are getting is the barrel and receiver from an ex-sniper rifle. I'm not sure how many other parts of the gun are original.

    Here's my ex-sniper, I paid $99 for it from J&G.
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. akolleth

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    Be sure to check out Vic Thomas site here for some great info and pics about Mosin Snipers-- Snipers of the Red Star


    Okay here is a little history on the ex-snipers.

    The most accurate rifles were chosen at the factories for sniper conversion. When built in the factory the Mosin snipers were drilled and tapped for the scope mount, and a bent bolt added. The most common version is the PU

    [​IMG]

    Although there are a couple of other earlier mounts used including a PE

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    After the war, for some reason unknown yet, the snipers were converted to ex-sniper status (basically turning them into a regular infantry rifle). They converted the bolt handle to a straight handle, then plugged and welded in the holes for the scope mounts. A mosin in this condition is what is referred to as an ex-sniper.

    They can be converted back again to sniper status, by drilling out/tapping the welds in the holes for the mount again (ranges from easy to incredibly hard), and rebending the bolt handle. Repro scopes and mounts are availabe all over the place for around $200-250.

    To tell if yours is an ex-sniper there are a couple of easy ways to tell. First is on the receiver.

    If you have a Tula built Mosin, it will have a CH stamped on the reciever near the barrel to indicate sniper-
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    Izhevsk rifles have a scope number stamped into the side of the barrel (usually crossed out during the ex-sniper rebuild)
    [​IMG]

    If your ex-sniper is a PU sniper (Way more common than others), you will be able to see the 4 holes from the scope mount on the inside of the reciever (move the bolt back)
    [​IMG]

    If it was a PE you will not see those holes, as you can see the scope was mounted to the receiver. If its a PEM you will see one (possibly two) holes more centrally located on the inside of the receiver-
     
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    As long as your bolt matches the serial to the rifle it is the correct bolt. They converted snipers at the end of the war to a regular infantry rifle by converting the handle to a straight handle, plugging/welding the holes up.
     
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    Thanks for all the info Akolleth you answered a few things that had been puzzling me about mine.
     
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    Sorry to necro the thread here guys but this topic is of great interest to me since I'll be buying soon and I figured I might as well post in a thread where the topic has already been brought up...

    So is there a general consensus that the extra 150-200 you'll spend on an M39 is worth it ONLY in terms of rifle quality/accuracy/durability? (Ignoring the fact that the M39 is much rarer and thus a semi serious collector's item)

    I'll put it another way. If I called up J&G or AIM Surplus, talked to a sales rep, communicated to them that I wanted them to hand pick the BEST ex-snipers they could find, and assuming they did, would the rifle's accuracy be comparable to an M39? If not, would it take much work on my part to make it that accurate?

    Which is a better value? If there was a unit to measure the quality/durability/accuracy of a rifle, which rifle would you be getting more of those units per dollar for? I'm assuming it'd have to be the M91/30, but I want to be sure

    Any information greatly appreciated fellas!
     
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    Mosin is under rated

    Fairly new to Mosins myself. They are a great bargain, accurate and powerful with a long history.

    Have had a M44 for a few years and just picked up a 91/30 from J&G this one .

    Got the M44 at Big 5 on sale, looked new and unfired and had to sand the stock some as it had sharp edges and slivers. After shooting it I wanted a M38 as the permanent bayonet adds weight (but sure looks evil). The metal has a nice finish to it, most Mosins I've seen have rough machine work.

    Was wanting to try the 91/30 as the fireball from the M44 is something to be experienced (youtube m44 fireball). The longer barrel does tame the recoil and fireball. It arrived looking unused but dusty, like it was made then stored away.

    Had been checking gun stores and Big 5 off and on for a M38 and looking at 91/30s also. Finally took a chance and ordered it and it payed off, gun is in good condition and shoots well.

    Both of mine are marked as C.A.I. imported, might check century arms but they don't put prices online.
     
  21. nrgetik

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    Thanks hawmanai, that's some good info. Additionally, does anyone know about whether 7.62x54r is being newly manufactured by anyone/anywhere? I mean, is the whole of 7.62x54r in existence surplus ammo? (Thus corrosive, which is fine, but eventually I might want to put some quality rounds through it)

    Again any info is appreciated :)
     
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    Most all of the ammo mfgs make a factory loading for the 7.62x54R. You should have no problem finding some via mail order, but don't expect to find any at WM.
     
  23. Marine_wannabe

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    +1 on J&G Sales.
     
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    at a gunshow , where you can haggle about the price, where you can see and feel them , and work the bolt, where you can shine a light in them, through the muzzle end, and the bore end. where you can have them include the oiler, pouch, and dog collar sling. Where you can get it all for 100 to 120 bucks, and ge tthe one you want, with the color you want, with the bolt you like, with all matching numbers you checked, with the brass pieces on all the fixtures.
    A gunshow, period.
     
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    oh yeah, unless you want a bayonet, don't get a 44, they are not accurate. get either a 38, very short, a 91/30, very long and old, or a 59/30, which were made after ww2.
    ammo is made by everyone everywhere, new; wolf, silver bear, brown bear, Barnaul, T/c russia, olympic, and others. try anything in the 170 to 180 grain class; these will not only be the longest range, especially if shooting the 91/30's, but they will be the most accurate as well. Sometimes the 205's can be real accurate as well, but they have a huge drop off in trajectory. they will zero about 1 foot drop at 100 yds, from the 150 to 170's.
     
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