PaladinX13
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This would be probably my only rimfire rifle, but I'd only be shooting reduced power loads (primer only, sub sonic, etc)... how does the CZ452 or 10/22, etc. handle such rounds?
Best rimfire rifle for shooting reduced power loads?
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Art Eatman
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Generally, semi-autos won't cycle. Since most bolt-actions have longer barrels than semi-autos, they are quieter.
I have an old Schutzen rifle with a 32" barrel. With CB caps, it's almost inaudible.
Art
I have an old Schutzen rifle with a 32" barrel. With CB caps, it's almost inaudible.
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Dave Markowitz
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You're probably better off with a manually operated rifle if you will primarily be shooting light loads. Note that some of the primer-only rounds are not meant to be shot in rifles, and the bullet may actually lodge in the bore of a rifle.
Even if a semiauto feeds light loads when you manually operate it, the ejection port on them tends to be smaller than most bolt guns, so if you want to single load it's somewhat awkward. The same thing goes for some of the lever actions and pump actions.
I'd go with a bolt gun in .22 LR such as the CZ. I just got a Savage 93GL .22 Magnum which is nice, except for the trigger, which needs some work. They make a similar rifle in .22 LR which should fit the bill.
Even if a semiauto feeds light loads when you manually operate it, the ejection port on them tends to be smaller than most bolt guns, so if you want to single load it's somewhat awkward. The same thing goes for some of the lever actions and pump actions.
I'd go with a bolt gun in .22 LR such as the CZ. I just got a Savage 93GL .22 Magnum which is nice, except for the trigger, which needs some work. They make a similar rifle in .22 LR which should fit the bill.
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I agree that the bolt action is the way to go with reduced power loads. Yes, you can tailor a semi-auto for reduced loads but you will have quite a bit into it before its reliable. If you go that route, try the 10/22 if not and opt for the bolt action, take a look at the CZ 452.
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Thanks, let me ask a few more questions... so looks like I should go the bolt or level or pump route (most likely bolt). The next question is whether I should go for a long barrel (for quietness) or short barrel (say 18" for very light- hopefully more quiet- pistol .22 loads)... also is the CZ 452 really well suited for this or should I just get a really cheap trainer/walmart-type rifle instead?
The role is basement/backyard plinking and pest control in a densely wooded suburb/rural area... nearest neighbor is 300 yards to the right, but with about half a mile of woods behind my house until the next neighbor.
The role is basement/backyard plinking and pest control in a densely wooded suburb/rural area... nearest neighbor is 300 yards to the right, but with about half a mile of woods behind my house until the next neighbor.
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I used a Rem 514 single shot bolt action. Found at the pawn shop. I wanted the same action I would use for centerfire hunting. I actually hunted with it a lot with iron sights. Taught kids how to shoot, pest control, and fun factor.
I'd recommend the same action of any other centerfire that you might hunt with. Muscle memory, sight aquisitions, and gun handling, if can replicate, is a good thing.
I'd recommend the same action of any other centerfire that you might hunt with. Muscle memory, sight aquisitions, and gun handling, if can replicate, is a good thing.
Zip06
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Paladinx13 - Quick throw out the anchor and read this post. I wish you would have mentioned the "pest control" problems you were having in an urban/suburban area. You don't want a .22 rimfire!!!! You want an air gun. Those babies are not like your Red Ryder BB gun. Today they rock.
I was faced with the same problem and my solution solving this problem without irritating neighbors or worrying about a backstop (as much as with a rimfire) was to get a pellet rifle. Plus you can practice all day long. A tin of 500 pellets will cost you about $8.00. Get a springer, mine will hit quarter size targets out to 50 yards. Starlings, crows, ferrel cats now avoid my place and the neighbors can not hear anything.
If you want a lot of power its available. You can get these babies in .177, .22 and .25 caliber. Speeds are easily available from 700-1000fps.
Plenty of good airguns out there and also a lot of poo-poo.
I was faced with the same problem and my solution solving this problem without irritating neighbors or worrying about a backstop (as much as with a rimfire) was to get a pellet rifle. Plus you can practice all day long. A tin of 500 pellets will cost you about $8.00. Get a springer, mine will hit quarter size targets out to 50 yards. Starlings, crows, ferrel cats now avoid my place and the neighbors can not hear anything.
If you want a lot of power its available. You can get these babies in .177, .22 and .25 caliber. Speeds are easily available from 700-1000fps.
Plenty of good airguns out there and also a lot of poo-poo.
AZTOY
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I use a Romanian trainer with Agula .22 SSS great for pest control.
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Zip06, my pests are groundhogs which tear up the lawn and dig pits in the landscaping, racoons which get in the chicken coop (had to pitchfork one once, I'd rather not repeat that), and the occasional squirrel come fall- they try to store food and nest in our attic (nawing all sorts of holes which now belong to bats...). I have a .22 Sheridan (392 I think it's called) for the squirrels, but it doesn't seem to get the first two reliably. I've heard that rimfire rounds can be quieter than even the Sheridan, so that's why I'm thinking about that.
Springers, I never could get used to their type of recoil so I'm just not a springer fan, sorry. Seems like air-rifles get really expensive pretty quick too (compared to .22lr).
Springers, I never could get used to their type of recoil so I'm just not a springer fan, sorry. Seems like air-rifles get really expensive pretty quick too (compared to .22lr).
I've had good results with remington subsonic hollow points out of an old Remington model 121 fieldmaster. Come to think of it, I haven' heard of anybody having bad results with the remington subsonics out of anything.
I'd say any quality manual action .22 will serve your purpose. I'm sort of eying marlin's model 25M, its a bolt action and I've seen it for under $150 new. Grooved for a scope, but has decent iron sights on it.
I have a .177 springer (gamo 220) rated at 1000 ft/sec. I've used it to kill racoons in a trap, as well as lots of smaller varmints. Its pretty marginal for anything bigger than a squirrel. Took a crow at 30 yards once, but it took 2 shots to kill it. Racoons require very precise shot placement, and quality pellets to be very effective. I'd definitely prefer a good .22 LR for even medium ranges, and anytime I couldn't pick exactly where to make the shot.
I'd say any quality manual action .22 will serve your purpose. I'm sort of eying marlin's model 25M, its a bolt action and I've seen it for under $150 new. Grooved for a scope, but has decent iron sights on it.
I have a .177 springer (gamo 220) rated at 1000 ft/sec. I've used it to kill racoons in a trap, as well as lots of smaller varmints. Its pretty marginal for anything bigger than a squirrel. Took a crow at 30 yards once, but it took 2 shots to kill it. Racoons require very precise shot placement, and quality pellets to be very effective. I'd definitely prefer a good .22 LR for even medium ranges, and anytime I couldn't pick exactly where to make the shot.
Paladin,
Why not send your Sheridan to Mac 1 Airguns for their steriod tune http://www.mac1airgun.com/ Or perhaps get into Pneumonic air rifles, some of the .22s can reach the power level of 22 shorts. And there's even air rifles in .44
and 9mm
and even .22s that are suppressed.
Otherwise, the CZ452 is a nice bolt gun
Dan
Why not send your Sheridan to Mac 1 Airguns for their steriod tune
http://www.mac1airgun.com/ Or perhaps get into Pneumonic air rifles, some of the .22s can reach the power level of 22 shorts. And there's even air rifles in .44
Otherwise, the CZ452 is a nice bolt gun
Dan
Zip06
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Well, if noise and backstop are not a problem I would go with a bolt action .22 rifle with a cheap 4x scope. IMHO however, I'd take another look at the pellet guns.
seeker_two
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Mine loves Aguila's Super Colibri's....
Great close-range turtle medicine...
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DNA, I've had some experience with air rifles. My 392 is a second hand Steroid, grooved for scope, etc. PCP air rifles... I've found that the Careers (and knock offs) are LOUD. I had an Air Force Talon for a while, it's definitely quiet for a PCP, but I'd like more power for groundhogs and racoons. I'd trust either of those rifles to take out those pests if I had time to carefully aim behind the ear, but most of the time, I spot them and they spot me.
Actually... would a low powered .410 shotgun be a better choice for this kind of thing? (Quicker, possibly safer... but probably really loud right?) I suck at aiming shotguns though.
Actually... would a low powered .410 shotgun be a better choice for this kind of thing? (Quicker, possibly safer... but probably really loud right?) I suck at aiming shotguns though.
Paladin,
To answer your question, go with the shorter barrel for your purposes. You aren't looking for range as much as you are looking for convenience & quick handling in pest removal. Really underpowered pistol rounds and Colibris don't like long barrels anyways.
This is a working gun so you want it to be ready & easy to handle whenever you are not expecting to need it. Boltys also provide follow up shots.
Air gun for this application is not practical. I'd rather not have to repump or re-cock a gun when I have to shoot a racoon. I'd rather not shoot a racoon with an air gun at all.
To answer your question, go with the shorter barrel for your purposes. You aren't looking for range as much as you are looking for convenience & quick handling in pest removal. Really underpowered pistol rounds and Colibris don't like long barrels anyways.
This is a working gun so you want it to be ready & easy to handle whenever you are not expecting to need it. Boltys also provide follow up shots.
Air gun for this application is not practical. I'd rather not have to repump or re-cock a gun when I have to shoot a racoon. I'd rather not shoot a racoon with an air gun at all.
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For the use you described I'd go with a short-barrelled bolt action .22. I would not use the airguns since the springers don't offer enough power for anything bigger than a rabbit, and the pre-charged pneumatics are almost as loud as a .22, but not as powerful. They are also a lot more expensive than most of the .22s you'll find.
DMK
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Single shot or tube loaded bolt/lever rifles will work the best
I use a Marlin 39a for shooting Aguilla Super Colibri. That or my single shot Polish wz48 trainer (loading them one at a time of course).
All my mag fed rifles jam on them and of course my Marlin 60 semi-auto won't cycle with them.
The Romanian trainer is a pain also because it's hard to get your fingers in there and manually feed them. The Polish trainer, being designed to shoot single shot only has a big open space and a little tray to lay a round on.
The 39a lever action is the only 22 I have that will feed those short little rounds. The Marlin 39a was designed to shoot 22 shorts as well as LRs. It doesn't even flinch at swallowing these little babies up and spitting out the spent shells. It also holds like 25 of them in the tube. Since you usually can cycle a lever much faster than a bolt action, it's loads of fun!
Oh yea, if you buy the Aguilla CBs, don't waste your time with really wimpy Colibri, get the Super Colibri. All I hear from these are the metalic "clack" of the hammer and the "pwap" of the bullet hitting the paper. With my rifles, these are literally quieter than my air rifle. Heck, cycling the lever is louder than shooting them.
I use a Marlin 39a for shooting Aguilla Super Colibri. That or my single shot Polish wz48 trainer (loading them one at a time of course).
All my mag fed rifles jam on them and of course my Marlin 60 semi-auto won't cycle with them.
The Romanian trainer is a pain also because it's hard to get your fingers in there and manually feed them. The Polish trainer, being designed to shoot single shot only has a big open space and a little tray to lay a round on.
The 39a lever action is the only 22 I have that will feed those short little rounds. The Marlin 39a was designed to shoot 22 shorts as well as LRs. It doesn't even flinch at swallowing these little babies up and spitting out the spent shells. It also holds like 25 of them in the tube. Since you usually can cycle a lever much faster than a bolt action, it's loads of fun!
Oh yea, if you buy the Aguilla CBs, don't waste your time with really wimpy Colibri, get the Super Colibri. All I hear from these are the metalic "clack" of the hammer and the "pwap" of the bullet hitting the paper. With my rifles, these are literally quieter than my air rifle. Heck, cycling the lever is louder than shooting them.
commygun
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Paladin,
I regularly shoot CCI CB's out of my CZ452 in the backyard. It is considerably quieter than my Gamo 220 air rifle and using a red dot
scope I get cloverleaf groups at backyard ranges. It has no problem
functioning smoothly with the short round.
I regularly shoot CCI CB's out of my CZ452 in the backyard. It is considerably quieter than my Gamo 220 air rifle and using a red dot
scope I get cloverleaf groups at backyard ranges. It has no problem
functioning smoothly with the short round.
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commygun, do you mean you can cycle them from the magazine or are you single loading each round? Man, now I'm tempted to get a 39A... I don't have any lever guns so it might be nice to have a different action. Yet there are so many believers in the CZ452 it's hard to ignore! My local gunstore doesn't have either so I'd probably getting it online otherwise I'd just pick the one in stock.
DMK
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Basically they are a very light (like 20gr) 22 bullet propelled by either primer only or a very light charge. They usually do somewhere around 500 to 750 fps.
I believe "CB" is a product name for the CCI rounds, but the name CD seems to stick to all of these type rounds like Xerox has stuck to any photocopy.
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Lever guns are way cool! I personally think they have the best qualities of both semi-auto and bolt action. You can cycle them very fast without breaking your sight picture, but they don't get all dirty inside like semi-autos. They are super reliable and have simple mechanicals like bolt actions. They are also very easy to clean, at least my Marlin is.
On the other hand, the CZ 452 is a very fine rifle! I bought one for somebody else as a gift this past Christmas and was very impressed with its beautiful lines, high quality machining, smooth action and it's overall grace. I even got on TFL and raved about it a bit before test firing it, then wrapping it up.
It was extremely accurate. I didn't try to feed CBs through it though. If you don't get an answer here and wish to know for sure, PM me. I could certainly arrange to try for you(Read: I'm fishing for an excuse to borrow it! ).I don't think you could go wrong with either the Marlin 39A or the CZ 452. It really boils down to personal preferance of the actions and styles.
commygun
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Paladin,
The CB's I use have no problem feeding from the factory 5-rd. or the
aftermarket 10-rd. magazines. I'm no expert but I've owned a slew
of semi-auto, bolt and lever-action .22's and the CZ 452 is definitely
the best I've had. That said, I admit I've never owned any truly high-
end .22's but for plinking and field use it's hard to imagine needing
something finer (and more expensive) than the CZ.
The CB's I use have no problem feeding from the factory 5-rd. or the
aftermarket 10-rd. magazines. I'm no expert but I've owned a slew
of semi-auto, bolt and lever-action .22's and the CZ 452 is definitely
the best I've had. That said, I admit I've never owned any truly high-
end .22's but for plinking and field use it's hard to imagine needing
something finer (and more expensive) than the CZ.
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DMK: FWIW, the CB stands for "conical bullet" and was in use before CCI's founder was a gleam in his father's eye.
Briefly, thus: Flobert invents the "BB cap" (bulleted breech). Basically a percussion cap topped with a round ball. Mostly seen as a novelty and used in "parlor pistols" for recreational entertainment at very short ranges indoors. Became quite popular in the mid-19th century.
In time an improved version with a conical bullet was developed, hence "CB cap".
The concept was expanded upon to become the .22 RF "short", and eventually gave birth to the whole idea of practical self-contained metallic cartridges.
Back to the subject at hand. About any type of manual action .22 will work fine with Super Colibri's, CCI CB Caps, etc. as they use the .22 L/LR case. My personal favorite is my Marlin 39M, but the little Brno ZOM 451 straight-pull bolt gun is a close second.
Both of them are much quieter than my RWS 48 .22 air rifle, and the projectile mass is about 1/3 greater than the heaviest commonly available .22 pellets to boot. The BA's barrels is about 6" longer than the Marlin, which makes it noticably quieter.
Briefly, thus: Flobert invents the "BB cap" (bulleted breech). Basically a percussion cap topped with a round ball. Mostly seen as a novelty and used in "parlor pistols" for recreational entertainment at very short ranges indoors. Became quite popular in the mid-19th century.
In time an improved version with a conical bullet was developed, hence "CB cap".
The concept was expanded upon to become the .22 RF "short", and eventually gave birth to the whole idea of practical self-contained metallic cartridges.
Back to the subject at hand. About any type of manual action .22 will work fine with Super Colibri's, CCI CB Caps, etc. as they use the .22 L/LR case. My personal favorite is my Marlin 39M, but the little Brno ZOM 451 straight-pull bolt gun is a close second.
Both of them are much quieter than my RWS 48 .22 air rifle, and the projectile mass is about 1/3 greater than the heaviest commonly available .22 pellets to boot. The BA's barrels is about 6" longer than the Marlin, which makes it noticably quieter.
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