Big Revolutionary War gun found....Nice July 4th story

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Go to the link to see a pic of the cannon fragment.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_sc/benedict_arnold_artifacts


Battlefield objects pulled from lake By MICHAEL HILL, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 5 minutes ago



PERU, N.Y. - Gen. Benedict Arnold led a "wretched, motley" crew of sailors on Lake Champlain against a far superior British fleet near here on Oct. 11, 1776. The rebels lost.

But their dogged fight delayed British movement south for a year, when they would be defeated in the Battle of Saratoga. Historians today consider the Battle of Valcour Island a "victory in defeat" that gave Colonial forces a chance to win at Saratoga — and eventually win the Revolutionary War.

Divers who have spent the last seven years combing the lake bottom in search of "battlefield scatter" from the pivotal fight pulled up dozens of artifacts this week. They displayed them by the shores of the battle site Friday: cannon fragments, solid iron cannonballs, a brass powder scoop, a trigger guard, spectacles, bombs.

"The battlefield objects unveiled here today are tangible connections to the people and times when the concepts of liberty, independence, insurgency and freedom were being debated and defined by this country," said Art Cohn, executive director of the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum in Ferrisburgh, Vt.

The museum, a partner in the Valcour Bay Research Project, will begin exhibiting the artifacts Saturday. A first peek was given during a lakeside ceremony across from Valcour Island.

The jewel among the finds is a cannon from a Colonial gunboat called the New York. The cannon exploded — no one knows why — sending fragments flying into the water and killing a lieutenant named Thomas Rogers.

Portions of the gun were found a few years ago. Divers have now recovered three more fragments, allowing them to jigsaw the pieces together. They also have discovered a heavily oxidized sword nearby with the tip broken off that "may well have been Thomas Rogers' sword," said Adam Kane, an archaeologist with the museum.

Most people working on the project are volunteers, including one of the lead divers, Ed Scollon. He has spent countless hours searching the silty lake bottom off of Valcour Island with a metal detector. Many of the artifacts are a few feet down in the silt, which has helped preserve them. Still legible on many of the cannonballs are distinctive "broad arrow" markings that identify them as British.

The finds so far come from where the Colonial ships lined up for battle, though divers hope to work their way to the British line.

"We've now mapped the equivalent of eight football fields of the American line," Kane said. "We're certainly not one-tenth done."

Had Arnold died in the Battle of Valcour, he would be famous mostly for cunning and bravery, instead of treachery. He took on the bigger British boats in a narrow straight that made it difficult for them to maneuver.

Pummeled by the British fleet all day, Arnold sneaked his boats past them that night in a retreat. The British gave chase the next morning. Arnold burned some of his boats to keep them out of British hands and led hundreds of men to Fort Ticonderoga on foot.

By the time fighting was over, snow was falling. The British, fatefully, paused their campaign for the winter.

Arnold stalled the British attempt to take the Hudson Valley and cut the colonies in two.

"His battle plan was brilliant," Scollon said.
 
I always find these stories - the history, the artifact hunt, the recovered objects, the analysis etc - facinating. If I were wealthy it would be a pursuit I might devote considerable time to doing myself.

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I remember a story from back in 1976 when the Army tried to find a cannon that fell through the ice when General Knox and his men were moving the cannon from Fort Ticonderoga to Boston. They checked out the records, checked out one particular lake and found the cannon. I've no idea where it is, some museum I suppose.

All the other cannon, btw, made it to Boston and in one of General Washington's usual brilliant moves, he had them moved to Dorchester Heights, at night, and when the Brits awoke they were looking down the muzzles of the cannon. The Brits then decided to evacuate Boston, a great victory for the Rebels. March 17, 1776.

Knox was one of our great generals, beloved by his men, a fat and rolly-polly kind of guy.
 
It's also great to see Bendict Arnold given a smidgeon of the credit that is due to him.

Yes, he did commit treason and was attempting to turn over West Point to the British which may very well have cost us the Revolutionary War-this is not in dispute here.

However, most do not know that he was instrumental in at least 3 major campaigns, and we would not have won the war, without him!

He married very late in life to a rich, Loyalist named Peggy Shippen,who had to have been instrumental in his changing loyalties; that and some bitterness at having been passed over for promotions a time or two.

Here's what the encylodepias say about him:

1741—1801, American Revolutionary general and traitor, b. Norwich, Conn. As a youth he served for a time in the colonial militia in the French and Indian Wars. He later became a prosperous trader. Early in the Revolution, his expedition against Fort Ticonderoga joined that of Ethan Allen, and the joint command took the fort. Arnold pushed on to the northern end of Lake Champlain, where he destroyed a number of ships and a British fort. In the Quebec campaign, he invaded Canada (1775) by way of the Maine forests. After a grueling march, the exhausted force reached Quebec. Richard Montgomery arrived from Montreal, and the two small armies launched an unsuccessful assault on Dec. 31, 1775. Arnold was wounded but continued the siege until spring, when Sir Guy Carleton forced him back to Lake Champlain. There he built a small fleet that, although defeated, halted the British advance.

In Feb., 1777, Congress, despite General Washington's protests, promoted five brigadier generals of junior rank to major generalships over Arnold's head. This and subsequent slights by Congress embittered Arnold and may in part have motivated his later treason. Although he soon won promotion by his spectacular defense (1777) against William Tryon in Connecticut, his seniority was not restored. In the Saratoga campaign, his relief of Fort Stanwix and his brilliant campaigning under Horatio Gates played a decisive part in the American victory. He became (1778) commander of Philadelphia, after the British evacuation, and there married Peggy Shippen, whose family had Loyalist sympathies.

In 1779 he was court-martialed because of disputes with civil authorities. He was cleared of all except minor charges and was reprimanded by Washington; nevertheless he was given (1780) command of West Point. He had already begun a treasonable correspondence with Sir Henry Clinton in New York City, and now arranged to betray West Point in exchange for a British commission and money. The plot was discovered with the capture of John André, but Arnold escaped. In 1781, in the British service, he led two savage raids–against Virginia and against New London, Conn.–before going into exile in England and Canada, where he was generally scorned and unrewarded.


So, even though he was instrumental in our ultimate victory, he very nearly caused our defeat and nevertheless deserves having his name being synonymous for "traitor."

Sam
 
From http://armedandsafe.org. Click on "opinion stuff," then on "a little history lesson"

A Little History Lesson​
As this country was being founded, there were those who wanted to deprive the citizenry of their guns. There were others who wanted only a Militia of the whole body of able-bodied men for defense of the country. The final consensus was that, in terms of control by the federal government, there would be a small standing army for national defense, an organized militia, and the remaining able-bodied men would comprise the unorganized militia. The statesmen and women who founded this country felt very strongly that the populace should be armed and ready to spring to the defense of their country against foreign invaders and, if necessary, their own tyrannical government. The founders own writings show that the situation to be feared most is tyranny from within. They realized that many people will vote for comfort rather than liberty, unless the choices are put very plainly.

On June 17, 1775 General Howe set out from Boston with 2,200 men to face 1,600 American Militiamen on Breeds Hill. By that afternoon, Howe had defeated the Americans and driven them from the field. The Americans had killed 226 British troops and wounded 828. British General Clinton wrote that another such victory "would have ruined us." The British had discovered that Americans with guns were dangerous!

In June of 1777, General John Burgoyne set out from Fort St. John's with 4,000 British, 3,000 Germans, 1,400 Indians and a mistress. His plan was to move south along Lake Champlain, destroying the Americans along the way. Burgoyne's forces routinely defeated the American forces along the way, until he was so depleted that he surrendered at Saratoga on October 17, 1777. Americans with guns were proving themselves even more dangerous.

During the latter half of the nineteenth century, the towns and villages in the West were generally safer than the cities in the East. This was so despite the fact that almost everybody in the West went armed at all times. It was common, even past the middle of the 1900's, for restaurants and cafes to have a rack just inside the door for customer's hats, coats and guns. Children were taught to handle guns safely and to respect the people around them, because they might get shot to rags if they got too far out of line. Bandits and desperadoes were dealt with harshly and usually hid out far from civilization because the average, domesticated town would and could rise up in arms against them. A large town could be controlled by a single Sheriff or Marshall and a deputy or two, not because these men were so good (many of them were), but because the towns-people would back them up with armed assistance.

Americans with guns are dangerous. They are also safe!
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