Black Lawmakers Vow to Repeal Georgia Voter Law

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Why are black lawmakers worried about people having to show ID?
Aren't black americans legal citizens? Of course they are. So everyone just needs to shut the hell up.

"I don't want there to be a hardship any more than necessary for voters, but I don't think it's too much to ask that when you come in to vote, you help us see that you are who you say you are," Staton said. He added: "Most Georgians think this is common sense, including African-Americans."
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Makes sense to me.
 
Could it be that Blacks are finally beginning to see that many jobs are being taken by illegal immigrants who, btw, are able to vote, legally or not? I don't blame them a bit and in fact feel just as violated by this travesty.
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longeyes said:
Another misguided crusade. Black legislators in GA have lots else to be concerned about. If people really can't afford the ID, give it to 'em free.
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Agreed. I don't know why someone would be against verifying a person to minimize risk on a person voting several times at poll stations. Maybe we need indelible ink on their fingers then? What's this all about I wonder....:rolleyes:
 
I have to display an ID to buy a handgun...right? Why shouldn't people have to show an ID to vote? Owning a gun is a more fundamental right than voting.
 
neoncowboy said:
I have to display an ID to buy a handgun...right? Why shouldn't people have to show an ID to vote? Owning a gun is a more fundamental right than voting.
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Wasnt too long ago that requiring an American citizen to show ID before purchasing a firearm would have been met with some pretty stiff resistance.

Now we happily do so and suggest that the same restrictions should be applied to our other "freedoms". We also lambast those who have the audacity to suggest that those restrictions are an encroachment upon our rights.

That being said, since personal honor is as rare as hen's teeth these days, there should be some form of identifier that a person has voted - the indelible ink is actually not a bad idea.
 
Find me a state ID that's free, and I'll agree with you.
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Azrael, the Georgia legislation specifically provides for free ID to those who can't afford to pay the (very reasonable) charge involved. The "cost" thing is a red herring used by those opposed to the use of ID for voting.
 
Oh, I didn't mean to sound like I endorse the necessity of ID-to-vote because after all, it's OK that we have to show a ID to buy a handgun...

I see having to show an ID to buy a handgun as an imposition on my liberty. Making someone show an ID to vote seems sort of logically necessary:
1. voting, to be fair and equal, necessitates that one person only vote once
2. that can't be ensured without knowing who is registered to vote and who votes
3. therefore, requiring an ID to vote is necessary to ensure fairness in the election process.

I wrote a email to a local talk show host about this earlier this year (we're in GA, BTW):
I got angry this evening watching some 'voter rights activist' on the TV news.

She explained about how voting is a most basic constitutional right and that it is wrong to place any obstacle in front of it. She was indignant.

Then I remembered how...
I must have a state issued permit to carry my handgun. That permit costs $15 and I have to spend another $23 on a background check/fingerprinting to get it. This requires me to have ID and go, in person, to the magistrate court during business hours and to the sheriff's office during restricted hours for the fingerprints. If I have ever been convicted of a crime, no dice. That constitutionally protected right is gone. I wait for about 4 months and my permit to exercise my constitutionally protected right comes in the mail...even though the law specifies I must receive it in 90 days.

Can you imagine the uproar if we restricted voting to people who had no criminal record? Charged $40 for a voting permit? Made people wait 90 days for one?

Why is it acceptable that this many layers of obstruction be placed between me and my 2nd Amendment rights, but a picture ID being required to vote is 'unconstitutional'.

And why is a court willing to place a restraining order on GA's ID-to-vote law, but not on it's concealed carry law?
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the black 'voter' corruption is unbelieveable...

we are in desperate need a voter id law in kali...
the 'black':barf: churches preregister hundreds/thousands of phoney ID's in every county , then haul busloads of their 'people' to the various polling stations to vote multiple times thruout the day ...
its an 'open secret' that no one will challange for fear of being labeled a "RASSSISSYIST" and politically destroyed , so 'they' get away with it every year...:cuss:
the 'messkins' are starting to pull the same chitt...:cuss:
 
We Floridians, their immediate southern neighbors, do it gladly to protect our privelege of voting. I find it inconceivable that this is a VALID issue.
 
If you are so stupid, ignorant, or criminal you can't get over having to show a valid ID to vote....frankly I don't want you throwing your vote in the pot for who runs the country.
 
We're trying to pass voter ID here in WI. The 2004 presidential election in WI while not the smallest by percentage, it was the smallest margin by total number of votes of any state.

The number of unverifiable votes (i.e. no such address, not a residential address, does not match the name actualy at the address, etc.) in Milwaukee alone was larger than the margin, yet "There was no detectable pattern of fraud" according to those investigating after the fact.

:rolleyes:

By and large, one party is the benificiary of vote fraud in this country, whether it's in the inner city, the graveyard vote, or college students "double dipping" at school and in their state of residence, I think we all know which way those votes are going.
 
Standing Wolf said:
I've been asked not merely to show, but hand over my driver's license every time I've voted in Colorado. That's one reason elections here are much cleaner than those in some other states.
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The first year I voted in Minnesota, I had just retired from the Navy. I had to have someone vouch for me, which is legal here. They accept several things for voting, an electric or other utility bill, a state issued ID card, Driver's License, someone with an ID that will vouch for the voter. It has brought some contention to elections here, as a certain political party would bus in others from out of state and have them vote here. All in all, I prefer that our elections, no matter what state, require some proof of citizenship at a minimum. Be it birth certificate, passport or state issued ID. Those without the means should be able to get a state issued ID card for free.

Personally, I don't like the utility bill, the vouching or anything without a picture ID. I am a registered voter now and it does not bother me ONE IOTA to show my ID to assure the poll people of who I am and that I will only vote once.
 
IMHO: not requiring positive identification and verification of a voter severely impacts MY voting rights. Any illegal vote only serves to dillute my vote.
 
ID is a fundamental part of exercising your right to vote, unlike other rights. Democracy can't work if elections are corrupt and an individual can vote more than once, therefore it is absolutely necessary to verify if someone has voted and ID is pretty much the only way to tell if you are a valid voter. I suppose you could use some kind of anonymized system with voter cards. In TX you have to have ID and a registration card.
 
BTW, I forgot to add:

WI has same-day same-minute voter registration. No ID required.

I can at least see states that have ID to register, but not to vote, but neither?

Come on....
 
An ID for voting is absolutely essential.

We had a enough fraud in Washington in 2004 that the Democrat Christine Gregoire got elected, thanks to double voters, dead voters, felons voting, etc. The Democrats passed a meaningless 'reform' bill where anything, even a utility bill, could be used to prove one's identity, and are now trying to pass more legislation to protect voters who list a fraudulent address for their registration.

I find it somewhat ironic that only a certain party huffs and puffs with indignation whenever laws are passed to make sure only legal voters vote.

CR
 
The ironic thing is that the folks who oppose voter ID are the same folks who complain about elction fraud (when they lose).

Why would any honest politician be opposed to measures that ensure clean/fair elections?
 
Here in North Dakota you can get an ID for free. It's the drivers license that costs money. It costs $5 and if you can't aford that every four years for a drivers license, then you probably don't own a car. Nobody sees this as a problem here. Plus we use good technology here to count our votes, Optically scanned paper ballots. The system makes counting faster and leaves a paper trail if a recount is needed. It also rejects invalid ballots, allowing someone who made a mistake to correct the error.
 
Crosshair said:
Here in North Dakota you can get an ID for free. It's the drivers license that costs money. It costs $5 and if you can't aford that every four years for a drivers license, then you probably don't own a car. Nobody sees this as a problem here. Plus we use good technology here to count our votes, Optically scanned paper ballots. The system makes counting faster and leaves a paper trail if a recount is needed. It also rejects invalid ballots, allowing someone who made a mistake to correct the error.
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+1

I was impressed when I saw the machines. They looked almost like shredders attached to a garbage pail. :D

Further inspection revealed the system, and it's the best I've seen or heard of so far.

I also vaguely recall Nebraska's ID card(as opposed to driver's license) being free.

They also used paper ballots. I'm not sure now, but I was convinced then that they used the school's standardized test grading machines to count the votes, as the sheets were identical. Of course, the machines were still too large and expensive for individual polling stations back then.
 
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