Black powder door alarm?

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Not sure what i was searching for but i came across this thing on e-bay and ive never seen such a thing before. I saved it and continued searching and forgot about it. Today i got an e-mail it was relisted and reminded me of it.

Item #121263398310

Ebay must not know what this thing can do, im suprised they allow it.
 
Howdy

I do not subscribe to Ebay, so I am not going to view the item.

However there were many devices sold in the 19th Century through mail order catalogs, and some of them were lethal. Booby traps using firearms were commonly sold.

Liability laws were not the same as today.
 
very easy to make, get a old used cap lock and start tinkering,it would not kill or hurt any one with just a cap used as the noise maker. eastbank.
 
These are alarm guns, and were common in the day. They range from simple "bang" alarms that you copuld leave in the barn to let you know that something was there, to complex multiple barrel safe and vault guns that both alarmed and were intended to shoot someone trying to break into a safe. There are people who collect them, and they are far more common than you might think.


"I do not subscribe to Ebay, so I am not going to view the item."

You don't need to have a user account to view an item, just to bid. Here's the directly clickable link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12126339831...l?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=121263398310&_rdc=1


It's a modern reproduction of an alarm gun.




Willie

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Another version is the alarm clock gun, where a magnifying glass sets off the priming chasrge when the sun angle comes to the magnifier just right. Screwed into a post they will set off the gun at the same sun angle every day.


Willie

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Another version is the alarm clock gun, where a magnifying glass sets off the priming chasrge when the sun angle comes to the magnifier just right. Screwed into a post they will set off the gun at the same sun angle every day.

How would that work consistently? The sun's angle changes daily and very soon the concentrated ray will miss the powder.
 
About one minute and a degree a day, actually... (I do celestial navigation when I'm offshore so.... break out the Nautical Alminac)


The time of the sun to a certain angle changes daily, as does the azimuth (compass bearing to the sun). The concentrated ray will move the same amount. Given a reasonably large powder-target, it'll fire about a minute later or earlier in our lattitudes as the days shorten or lengthen. Eventually the exit pupil diameter of the lens is not large enough to encompass the target of powder, and you need to realign the lens a few degrees. Easy enough to do.

I can't really imagine doing it, as a rooster is easier to manage... ;-)


Willie

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NOTICE: as per ebay policy, this signal cannon can be fired using black powder giving a loud noise, but it cannot fire a projectile nor can it be converted to do so.
Sure looks like it would fire a projectile if you put one in it.

Thats a pretty sizable hole in the muzzle!

rc
 
re: eBay they're not very proactive about finding auctions they don't like unless there's been a rash of something they're trying to stamp down on. They normally rely on user reports, so if nobody flags it you can get away with stuff for quite a while. Then somebody in India reviews it and if you have big text saying why it's OK chances are they'll just go with it.

On the other extreme for a while they were running some search once a day or so for anything with PMAG in the title and pulling it. But even then it was clearly just some guy running a search - they didn't catch it automatically when you posted it.
 
Another version is the alarm clock gun, where a magnifying glass sets off the priming chasrge when the sun angle comes to the magnifier just right. Screwed into a post they will set off the gun at the same sun angle every day.


Willie

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I think you are referring to what's known as a sundial or noonday cannon.
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The picture above is one I assembled from a Dixie kit. I have since filed off the bolt shafts flush. Just like any sundial, one aligns the gnomon (triangular vertical blade) to make its shadow fall on the correct time. Then one adjusts the magnifying glass to focus on the vent a the desired time--usually noon Since these were never intended to fire anything but a blank charge the bore is rough cast.

Here is another one I have that would function if I vented it, but the base is a cast polymer material meant to look like scrimshawed ivory, and I was always afraid it would break. It was built by a sundial company as an indoor decorative piece.
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I have a 3rd brass and wood decorative model, but don't have a current picture of it.


Most of the black powder cannons that are listed on EBay are perfectly capable of firing a projectile. However, people have learned to simply include a statement that their item is a signal gun only and is not intended to fire a projectile. Basically, as Mike1234567 has already indicated, they are simply lying just to keep their listing from being jerked by EBay

These little CVA cannons built from kits marketed back in the 1970's get posted for sale all the time, and they actually have a .45 caliber rifled barrels. cannonmodels010.jpg
Of course the sellers always fib about these too just to avoid the EBay police.

Cheers
 
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alright now i want one of those sundial cannons


as far as the 108 dollar "noisemaker" is concerned when we were kids
a rat trap and some toy roll caps served the purpose very well.

BTW im sure that thing could fire a projectile if wanted
 
Foreard Observer, that's exactly the item. Thanks!

Rat Trap and Caps was my old childhood booby-trap for Boy Scout commando training. Glad another remembers!



Willie

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"Dixie Gun Works still sells the door jamb pistol. and it's cheap too!"

See yours - and raise you a few decibels! http://www.spyshop.co.uk/alarm-mine

During the Victorian period, when "spring guns" became controversial, gamekeepers would use something similar but using a live round to deter poachers. They were considered quite safe because they were, of course, always angled down...
 
I might be interested at the right price but I'd want a slight firing delay... maybe 5 seconds... and placed across the darkened room in a dark corner. That should get an intruder's attention.
 
I might be interested at the right price but I'd want a slight firing delay... maybe 5 seconds... and placed across the darkened room in a dark corner. That should get an intruder's attention.
Have the flash and the boom light up a silhouette of a person infront of it.
 
That's what I was thinking... a mannikin or flat cut-out image. Let the intruders shoot at plastic or cardboard while I reach for my 12ga. Better yet... the intruders wet their pants and run without a real shot ever being fired.
 
That's what I was thinking... a mannikin or flat cut-out image. Let the intruders shoot at plastic or cardboard while I reach for my 12ga. Better yet... the intruders wet their pants and run without a real shot ever being fired.
If it fired twice you could also install a lamp or some kind of light hooked to a clapper!

bang! bang! clap on, clap off
 
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