Blended Metal and the worthless, cruel videos that prove nothing.

[tellner]

I did do a small search and found this ammo does not perform in gelatin.They say it takes body heat to activate,that sounds fishy to me. After reading the few things I found on this, it seems as if they are trying to prove something with no scientific base. That puts it into the '' what would happen if '' category which makes it unjustified in this case.

Body heat to activate? It's been a while since I took engineering thermodynamics, but let's take a look. Assume the bullet (generously) penetrates 6" of flesh before slowing down. Say that takes 1/100th of a second for a bullet originally travelling at 1500 fps to come to a stop. I'm being very generous here. Assume the animal is at about 100 degrees Farenheit. It has to double in size due to the heat of the body in that time.

The amount of heat transferred is going to be miniscule. Even with very high coefficients you aren't going to transfer enough heat to the bullet to get it to expand measurably.

Snake oil. Hogwash. Marketing.

 

[Vex]

Body heat is ~98 degrees. How hot are bullets out of a fresh muzzle? Anyone who's ever been shot knows that the pain is a "burning" sensation because the bullet is super-heated from the initial ignition and friction from the riflings. The temperature of the bullet is far higher than body heat.

Next thing we'll be hearing is these blended metal bullets "sense" blood...

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

You are obviously just argumentative and not willing to see the reality of this situation. There was no need for this. Nothing you say will change that. Food is a legitimate reason to kill an animal and even then I believe it should be done humanely. Keep using your flawed "all or nothing" arguments all you want. It doesn't make your stance any stronger.

Then the question is, is there a need for this?

I say yes, because gel testing does not answer all the questions I have about what happens when a bullet encounters different tissues or bone, or any other effects that gel might not capture.

This is a ridiculous statement.

While growing up, my family often relied on elk and venison to feed ourselves. Money was tight and we sure as hell could not afford whey protein shakes at the health food store. Hunting is an essential skill for survival.

You obviously grew up before the rise of the modern welfare state. Also, for the vast majority of the population, it is easier to go to a health food store, or just drink lots of milk, than it is to go hunting.

 

[Vex]

Then the question is, is there a need for this?

I say yes, because gel testing does not answer all the questions I have about what happens when a bullet encounters different tissues or bone, or any other effects that gel might not capture.

First we have to scientifically prove that the bullets are going to do what they say, which is react to body temperature which causes the dramatic expansion. This has not yet been proven, considering my recent post regarding the fact that the bullets are already heated above 98 degrees F when they're fired from the ignition and friction of riflings. Ever touch a fresh casing directly from the ejection port? The bullet is much hotter than that. When I was doing bullet-proof-vest tests, every single bullet charred the vest after it was stopped. How hard is it to blacken the kevlar like this? Well, race car mechanics use kevlar for heat protective gloves and sleeves from 800 degree exhausts and 1000 degree turbochargers when they're working on them.

So now we're supposed to believe that these magic bullets, which are so hot they burn kevlar, are magically activated by 98 degree body heat?

IF the bullets worked (BIG IF), then I would say some sort of "real world, live action" testing would be necessary. Even though, there is absolutely no reason to tie an animal to a fence. As I said earlier, the testing could be through a normal hunting season.

 

[springmom]

The what road

Sex Offender thread-

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=183306&highlight=sex+offender

The HIGH ROAD????

Forget this, I'm outta here. Not long ago we had this wonderfully edifying (NOT) discussion on how best to commit suicide, and now this.

The Low Road, it is.

Springmom

 

[RyanM]

Yes, because we all know that not adhering 100% to hardline conservative morals is "low." Kill the gays! Kill the Jews! Kill the Blacks! Kill the bestialists! No rights for anyone different from us! A boot stepping on a human face forever!

Anyway, tests on the earlier "BMT" bullets (which looked like they were some kind of solid, maybe made of zinc or something) showed that they did zilch in gelatin. LeMas eventually made the claim that their bullets only work in heated meat, but this was after switching to their new design. The newer version is made of a lead sphere set on top of a plastic sphere inside of a copper jacket, and swaged down (usually very unevenly, resulting in terrible accuracy). A very ordinary (albeit extremely light for caliber) jacketed softpoint. Those ones typically either expand minimally, didn't fragment, and penetrated a lot, or they fragmented into a few dozen pieces, and penetrated only a few inches.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

IF the bullets worked (BIG IF), then I would say some sort of "real world, live action" testing would be necessary. Even though, there is absolutely no reason to tie an animal to a fence. As I said earlier, the testing could be through a normal hunting season.

I was referring to animal testing in general, not so much this particular case. I would test the ammo first in gel, then in a carcass, and then if it still looked promising, on in animal in a large pen that wasn't tied up. Then I would try hunting.

 

[Ridge]

I've killed many a hog using both head shots and heart shots (With a 22.rifle,pistol,as well as my model 10 38.) I watched the vid. and wasn't bothered by it,I've also hunted and killed many an animal.

It doesn't sicken me because the way things looked,they were headed for the slaughterhouse anyway.

But I think everyone should watch this video,because even though you may think it's cruel,because what do you think will happen if you do have to use your CCW weapon,or a rifle against someone,or something...

Do you think that your target is not going to bleed all over the place?
Do you think you'll get points for the kill?

Well I can tell you now the target you shoot will be fighting to live.

I think this video is a good wake up call for those that carry but have never hunted,but have only shot paper.

(No that wasn't saying that those that don't hunt have a videogame complex or anything,it was not meant to offend,I was just adding my two cents)

You guys can feel free to call me a sick S.O.B. if you want to but that's my position.

 

[YellowLab]

Its not about the blood, the squeeling or the squirming.

Its about a dimwit making DUMB decisions (shoot a pig to determine terminal ballistics?) using completely non-repeatable tests, and doing no followup except for saying 'it died'.

What cartridge has 'failed' in service (as some have mentioned?).

What does shooting a pig do for ballistic research than get some dimwit all hot and bothered about shooting an animal?

Hunt all you want, I know where hamburger and bacom comes from. That does not bother me in the least.

But this company can't even PRETEND to know how to do scientific research... and they want you to but a new 'hi-tech' blended metal bullet?

What kind of dimwitted tests would they do for global warming research? Put a pig in a fire and see if it bunrs?

 

[Mannlicher]

This thread is not unlike the old standard "Say, do you still beat your wife?" There is no answer.

I suggest if you don't like the guy's video and product, just don't buy. I personally dont care what he does with his pigs. I darn sure have messed up a bunch in my hunting career.

It's a slippery slope when we start getting sympathetic with a pig's feelings, or trying to extend our (so called) ethics to others, who are not, repeat, NOT engaging in illegal activities. I did not even address the pandering to PETA in this whining, snivling little thread...............