Book Percussion Pistols and Revolvers July 05

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http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-35796-2

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Book published this month and currently listed at the above address. In four to six weeks, it should be available from Barnes and Noble and Amazon.com. Some of the content will be familiar to members of this board as will some of the black and white pictures.

It is a non-industry-driven incapsulation of the era of percussion handguns attempting to put the arms in the proper historical context, provide useful information about shooting them and keeping them in working order. We've listed loads and tried to include enough data so that the reader can come to his own conclusions about how the original pistols and revolvers might have performed.

The pictures basic black and white and work pretty well but some of them came out a little smaller than I had anticipated. This is not a problem with the pictures that serve as diagrams but notations on a few of them may require bright sunlight magnification or a young set of eyes. I mention this because it may be a major cause of irritation to some potential buyers who should avoid buying the book.

Available in Paperback, Hardcover (expensive) and e-book (cheap)
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Mec,

Q1: is it sewn construction or glued together?
Q2: can we buy direct from you?
Q3: I'd like mine autographed.

Gary
 
The paperback is perfect bound- glue in the manner of most paperback books. I haven't seen one of the hard backs yet. (they really need to be nice as they cost an outrageous ten dollars more than the paper ones.

the paperback has a sturdy aspect to it and should stand up for a while. I've ordered a number of them for just what you mentioned but will wait till they get here before I make any announcements . That way, I'll know for sure they printed and stuck them together ok.
 
Mec, if the hardback is sewn construction, I'll take an autographed hardback. They tend to be more durable. If however it's just a glued together version of the softcover, I'll go softcover. BTW, the jacket is terrific!
 
I don't know much about book binding but they didn't brag about them being sewn together so, I bet they arn't.
 
450VGary...

Definately glued rather than stitched. Blue however, is my favorite color. I tried to e-mail you and got bounced. I'll try IM too.
 
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Now available from Amazon.com and Barnes and Noble on line

Now available from Barnes and Nobel and Amazon.com at advantageous rates. Amazon, at least has a free shipping option.
 
Email received.

My ducats to you are being delivered by the USPS.
 
sent out by priorty yesterday. they are currently crossing in the mail.
 
Looks interesting, MEC. I've enjoyed reading your work elsewhere on the 'net. I think I'll be picking one up.

What do I have to do to get it autographed?

-John
 
I believe I'll be picking one up too. I'd also like to purchase direct from you.


Can I get an autograph too, or is that moderators-only? :neener:
 
It arrived today! I've only read a couple of chapters and it's very useful as a user's guide. It reminds me of Joe Bilby's "Civil War Firearms" but goes more into the technical details including disassembling the gun. Numerous loads are given and from the charts provided you can see that Mec did a lot of testing for velocities. Several useful appendices are included too. One gives your Italian proof marks and year of production. Another features a "petition for frontier protection" out of the Texas State Archives. The funniest (or useless but great reading) is the "Irish Code" that is very much the rules for dueling. This book deserves a place on your shelf.

One question though. Why 6 ISBN #s? I can see three (paperback, hardcover and e-book), but why are there two for paperback, two for hardcover and two for e-book. Is there some sort of collectors' edition that the publisher has in mind?
 
Thanks Gary.......

I saw all those isbns myself and became very confused. I think maybe the publisher was confused before I was. I'd go by the isbns listed on Amazon for either the Hb or the Paper back. They seem to use only one each on there.

Johnny Bates, my co-author had a great grandfather, Wilson Bates who signed that 1852 Petition.

The velocities we recorded are interesting and reasonably consistent from one range visit to the next. They also conform to some figures recorded by other shooters. In other cases, they are quite different from results gained by shooters apparently using the same or very similar components and practices. This is to be expected given variations in guns and who'se hand is pumping the loading lever.

Bates isn't as active as I have been on this and other boards but he has quite a background in percussion revolvers. He was a West Texas college student in the early '60s when he picked up his first 36 navy replica. It was a brass framed number from a forgotten source and manufacturer. At that time, there was a jackrabbit up-swing in west texas and they appeared to be as thick as flies. You could walk them up easily and they usually take off at a slow lope directly away from you. A running shot is easier than it looks. Even holding Kentucky windage and elevation, Bates would manage to hit about one out of four of them and recalls that the .36 ball took them down in a hurry.
He moved to Waco and became involved in the local Black Powder matches that were very big in the early 70s. Got to working with a local Black Powder shop fixing Italian replicas that the cowboy and civil war reinactor broke on a regular basis. Parts were where you found them- if you found them and many of them were generic requiring much fitting. One of the local dealers is very active in the collectible arms field. He calls on bates to do action repairs to antique arms of all types. These include fitting of springs and action parts- the sort of repair that doesn't detract from collector's value.

I, by contrast am so fumble fingered that I could get an anvil out of adjustment. Nevertheless, learning from Bates, I have been able to do the simple repairs we mention in the book. This makes me believe the gentle reader will be able to do so as well.

Oh. Collector's edition- Homey do not think so. Every option is there because I bought into it prior to production of the volume. Just getting the option of a hard back costs an extra two hundred bucks. The only other edition besides the paper and hard covers is an e-book for $6 through iUniverse book store. I havn't been able to get any pdf ebook readers to work They seem to be beyond my computer skills so I'm not likely to ever be able to comment on the e book version.

Review: Gunblast.com
http://www.gunblast.com/Bates-Cumpston_Percussion.htm
 
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Was reading it last night and came across the chapter about shoulder stocks on BP revolvers. I didn't realize that those guns were nicknamed, "Col. Colt's Wheel of Misfortune." :p It's well known that Berdan's Sharpshooters were initiallly armed with the Colt Root Revolving rifle, but that they hated them and demanded Sharps breechloaders in their place. The Berdan Sharpshooters felt the Colt rifle was unsafe. I also have one example where one sharpshooter lost some digits because of a chainfire. :uhoh: Little wonder why they were called the Wheel of Misfortune. Still, those guns when properly used (as at Chickamauga by the 21st Ohio Infantry(?)) could be effective.
 
The Roots,and early Paterson revolving long arms are the ones that earned the "Misfortune" title. A hand out in front of a chain fire could spell disaster. There was even a revolving faris wheel looking rifle from another company that had the loaded chambers pointed directly back into the shooters face.

I heard a story about a band of native americans who captured one of those and found out the hard way that it was not a good thing. The story went that the time they encountered a wagon train, they gave the rifle back to the pilgrims.
 
Regarding those turret guns, I've seen both horizontal and vertical turrets. Neither would be my first for a repeater and I'd rather have a harmonica/slide gun by Johnathan Browning. With the Assault Weapon Ban sunset, we can now have 15 round slide magazine cap-lock rifles. Talk about unlimited mass destruction. :eek:

The story about the Indians giving back a Colt revolving rifle is too funny. Do you remember the source?

BTW, good pointer in the Chapter 13 about the Colt Dragoon bore diameter and cylinder diameter. I didn't realize that the bore wa .454 and the cylinder chamber only .449. Little wonder why those particular guns are innaccurate. Have you ever had a chance to mike or slug a period piece to compare?
 
I'm not sure where bates got the turret rifle story -or how much truth their might be in it. The original dimensions were sometimes variable but The remingtonts in jim Taylor's articles and one original below seems to have about .454 chambers. I can remember when magazine article claimed most originals were .452-4 but that original walkers were .457.

Over the last few decades, Pietta seems to rung .448-.449 and the present ubertis are righ at .450 Armi San Marco sometimes had chambers in the same cylinder running from .447- .454. It would seem easier to at least get them all the same size
 
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e-book format- in living color

I ordered the e-book version through amazon.com. Six Dollars. It requires the Adobe7 reader and some experimentation to get it open. When I did get the download and opened it, I found that all of the pictures are in living color and zoomable. Makes a handy reference for the computer-inclined.

I had to try several things to get it downloaded. It appears that my firewall interfered to some degree and I had to disable it.
 
Thanx
We had a great deal of fun writing it and it kept us out of trouble for a good long time.
 
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