Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Boston bomber was a prohibited possessor.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Yo Mama, Apr 19, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TheSaint

    TheSaint Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2006
    Messages:
    343
    Location:
    The People's Republik Of Kommiefornia
    There's a huge difference between a he said/she said domestic violence dispute and an actual conviction in a court of law by your peers. For instance, many jurisdictions hand out restraining orders like candy with little material evidence that the man or woman charged is guilty.

    A restraining order is NOT reason alone enough to deny someone their rights. If the person is a convicted in a court of law by his fellow citizens, I consider that a fair exercise of justice. No American should be advocating the removal of a citizen's rights at the sole discretion of a judge. Full stop.
     
  2. Averageman

    Averageman Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,440
    Location:
    Texas
    There's a huge difference between a he said/she said domestic violence dispute and an actual conviction in a court of law by your peers.

    In Late 1996 was working in Battalion S2 and one of the Soldiers from my previous platoon approached me and told me that his Wife had filed for divorce.
    He told me that She said if he didn't agree immeadiatly to her Attorney's terms She would claim spouce abuse and have him discharged from the Military through the Lautenberg Ammendment.
    It concerned me enough to approach the command about a "hypothetical situation".
    Essentially at the time it wouldn't even have taken "He said, She said" apparently if She has an Attorney it might only take a She said.

    I have read that the Army has taken steps to fix this, but I'm not really sure.

    An brief summary:
    The Lautenberg Amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, effective 30 September 1996, makes it a felony for those convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. The Amendment also makes it a felony to transfer a firearm or ammunition to an individual known, or reasonably believed, to have such a conviction. Soldiers are not exempt from the Lautenberg Amendment.
     
  3. TheSaint

    TheSaint Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2006
    Messages:
    343
    Location:
    The People's Republik Of Kommiefornia
    Some jurisdictions have even defined domestic violence as "emotional abuse" meaning that bodily violence may not be needed to grant a restraining order. It is a HUGE slippery slope which is why I am extremely skeptical about barring people from owning guns on such grounds, same thing goes for individuals considered mentally suspect. You could also argue that all soldiers that suffer from PTSD should be barred from owning guns upon their return home. Gun grabbers fight through a war of attrition, not from protecting rights and liberties of the individual. That's what we must be wary of.
     
  4. Deaf Smith

    Deaf Smith Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2004
    Messages:
    4,674
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    It now turns out a few years ago the FBI was informed by another country that he had ties to terrorist organizations and to check him out. FBI did and said he was okie dokie.

    Deaf
     
  5. Bruno2

    Bruno2 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    886
    Location:
    Tulsa , Oklahoma
    Their uncle claims they have been here for 10 yrs. I couldnt imagine the process taking 9 yrs for a kid to become a citizen.
     
  6. Solo

    Solo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    838
    The process may not have started 9 years agon.
     
  7. The-Reaver

    The-Reaver Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2010
    Messages:
    798
    Location:
    Florida
    If he's merely a fall Guy it makes perfect sense.

    He's prohibited yet still got it. Most likely through the " gunshow loophole "


    Bam more legislation.
     
  8. PCCUSNRET

    PCCUSNRET Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    Messages:
    1,161
    Location:
    Virginia
    It was reported last night that they had taken the gun from the MIT police officer and executed him with his own gun. Unclear if they had any other guns.
     
  9. alsaqr

    alsaqr Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2007
    Messages:
    3,388
    Location:
    South Western, OK
  10. Hondodawg

    Hondodawg Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    33
    Just read the bombers twitter account who was captured last night. Guess who he supported for president?
    You guessed it Obama!
     
  11. SharpsDressedMan

    SharpsDressedMan member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2007
    Messages:
    5,957
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Was he a campaign contributor? :rolleyes:
     
  12. Texshooter

    Texshooter Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2004
    Messages:
    481
    This is the truth.

    A conviction in court of DV is one thing, someone having a Restraining Order against them does not in and of itself mean a thing.

    As has been said, those things can be passsed out like candy on Halloween. Nothing has to be proven, just a he said / she said or anything inbetween.
     
  13. Vector

    Vector Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    675
    Location:
    USA
    This may not be the thread for a full vetting of this issue, but I fully agree. I am not sure how that passed to begin with without strong opposition of the NRA and gun owners :confused:
     
  14. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Messages:
    8,034
    Location:
    Kingsport Tennessee
  15. Bruno2

    Bruno2 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Messages:
    886
    Location:
    Tulsa , Oklahoma
    Yeah Carl, the media isn't trying to correct any of the unprofessional reporting mistakes they have been making over the yrs. They just blurt out whatever blather any unreliable source tells them.
     
  16. nulook45

    nulook45 Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    86
    Location:
    Pataskala,Oh
    Domestic violence

    Look im all for removing a 2a right <TEMPOPRARLY> in cases of proven abuse . I know and have been charged with DV in what amounted to a shouting match with my Ex Wife. I never laid a hand on her or for that matter even threatend her . and when it got to court the witneses recanted there statements to police so the DV charge was dropped . But they also found me guilty of disorderly conduct because the police had to come out to the house. And because of this stupid law. i get delayed or denied all the time when go to buy a gun i apeal the denial and in about 6 months i get it cleared up and next time i get delayed and then cleared . its a pain in the you know. As it stands now the state has no problem with me buying or owning a gun but the feds make me jump thru the hoops every time before aproval .


    The Lautenberg Amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, effective 30 September 1996, makes it a felony for those convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. The Amendment also makes it a felony to transfer a firearm or ammunition to an individual known, or reasonably believed, to have such a conviction. Soldiers are not exempt from the Lautenberg Amendment.
     
  17. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Messages:
    8,034
    Location:
    Kingsport Tennessee
    News tonight reported the explosives were bought from a fireworks store (inside fireworks of course) and that the bombers had only the one gun.
     
  18. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2012
    Messages:
    3,078
    Location:
    WA State (NOT in Seattle)
    I thought for sure they would have an "arsenal".
     
  19. TheSaint

    TheSaint Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2006
    Messages:
    343
    Location:
    The People's Republik Of Kommiefornia
    Only one gun? What news source reported that? I read another one that said they had six guns. It seems the media on this particular incident is rushing to press like mad, and we're getting a lot of inconsistent information out there. It makes it very hard to actually make sense of this whole affair.
     
  20. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2005
    Messages:
    5,499
    Location:
    Arkansas
    Their complete lack of an escape plan proves to me that they didn't plan the bombing either. So more than likely the guns were straw purchases by another member of their cell.
     
  21. TheSaint

    TheSaint Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2006
    Messages:
    343
    Location:
    The People's Republik Of Kommiefornia
    Possibly even a family member. According to the FBI, after the photos were widely distributed to the public, not a single member of the bombers' immediate family called to turn them in. In many cases, instead of trying to look for long, elaborate links, just stay close to the source. The close friends and family need to be probed as well. Somebody knows something and that's what a good investigator must push for.
     
  22. AlexanderA

    AlexanderA Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,058
    Location:
    Virginia
    Exploiting public opinion after the Boston bombing, Sen. Manchin is trying to resurrect his "background check" proposal by adding people on the "terrorist watch list" to those who would be excluded from purchasing.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/gun-control-terror-list_n_3143250.html

    Of course, being placed on a "terrorist watch list" is not an adjudication of anything. You might simply have a similar name to someone who's suspected of terrorist involvement. Is this a reason to deny a constitutional right?
     
  23. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2009
    Messages:
    7,397
    Location:
    Central Arkansas
    BS.
    A mere accusation of domestic abuse does not mean someone has their rights taken away. The OP said he was CONVICTED, not merely accused.
     
  24. Vector

    Vector Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    675
    Location:
    USA
    Maybe in the case of the OP, but as mentioned, in places like CA, a much lower threshold is being applied to take away peoples 2A rights.
     
  25. Xiphoticness

    Xiphoticness Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2012
    Messages:
    27
    Location:
    Concord, NC
    In North Carolina you cannot posses or purchase a firearm while you are under a restraining order, I know because my neighbor was placed under one for a year when he and his old lady had a falling out. She claimed he assaulted her, I was there and he didn't but he didn't fight the restraining order for several reasons, mostly because it worked both ways and he wanted her to stay away from him. The whole experience was eye opening to me. One woman, with only her word and testimony from myself and another witness to the effect that she was lying through her teeth, was able to revoke a man's second amendment rights because it was too costly to hire a lawyer and take her to court over the issue and without a restraining order against her she would have harassed him to no end.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page