• You are using the old High Contrast theme. We have installed a new dark theme for you, called UI.X. This will work better with the new upgrade of our software. You can select it at the bottom of any page.

Boxing

Status
Not open for further replies.

ATLDave

Member
Joined
Aug 30, 2011
Messages
8,906
Many sports started and exist as a form of ritualized combat or fighting. Boxing is a good example of this. The rules of boxing are different than the rules of an actual hand-to-hand street fight. There's no bell in a real-world fight, no gloves, no referee, no rules about rabbit punches, etc. People who are serious about boxing spend time training for boxing matches in particular, and have goals related to winning sanctioned bouts. They learn ways to "game" boxing, such as figuring out what actions will earn points in a judged match.

When someone decides to take up boxing, it would be very odd indeed to hear another chide them that "boxing isn't real," or suggest that they only practice boxing under "realistic" scenarios. Few people have any difficulty understanding the concept of boxing as a sport, in and of itself. Winning a boxing title isn't generally pursued in preparation for the possibility of a street fight - it's a goal in and of itself.

However, despite this abstraction from a "real" street fight, you generally want to avoid getting into a fistfight with a seriously competitive boxer. (The same might be said about wrestlers or football linemen.) Their knowledge of the rules on clinching won't carry over, but their hand speed and power will, as will their ability to slip or block your punches. They might be vulnerable to the kinds of grappling that boxing prohibits, but you're going to have to be very good at grappling and/or lucky to make that matter before you get knocked senseless.

I feel like a lot of cross-talk among shooter would be saved if we could see the obvious parallels between the action-oriented competitive shooting games and boxing. They're ritualized and abstracted. They don't have the same rules as a "street" gunfight. Most people who get serious about them are treating them as a sport. And, despite these limitations, you probably don't want to get into a gunfight with a GM in one of these games.
 
Last edited:
In that vein, I am looking forward to the Mayweather boxer vs McGregor MMA bout. Note that it will be a BOXING match.
Kind of like a Master class competitor vs a Tier 1 Operator... on a square range.

Rob Leatham started a class of LEOs with "I'm not here to teach you tactics, I am here to teach you how to SHOOT."
 
Bullseye is the tai chi of the abstracted-combat shooting sports.

In both cases, if you did the same thing but way faster, it might be effective in a fight.
 
I'm still trying to slow down from Tae Kwon Do.
The change up from the hardest of hard styles to the softest is makin me schizophrenic. :confused:
 
In that vein, I am looking forward to the Mayweather boxer vs McGregor MMA bout. Note that it will be a BOXING match.
Kind of like a Master class competitor vs a Tier 1 Operator... on a square range.

I prefer boxing but enjoy both sports.. However, that fight is nothing but a way to separate a fool from his money...
 
a pretty good comparison, IMO.

I am an instructor and competitor and I hear all the time about how Competition doesn't mean anything and will get you killed, etc, blah blah. Typically from those who don't shoot competition and/or tried it once and did poorly so stopped.

One of the instructors at The Tactical Performance Center in Utah explained it to me like this:
"What is a gunfight? Is it not a competition between two forces where the winner goes home?"

I usually tell people that I would rather have the competitor who can shoot and teach them tactics and such vs the super tactical guy who cannot shoot or manipulate his firearm well.

ETA: TPC blog post regarding competition and getting killed:
https://www.tacticalperformancecenter.com/blogs/the-dump-pouch/will-competition-get-you-killed
 
Last edited:
I shot the Eastern Division Matches with the Marine Corps in the '70s. It was bullseye, one handed shooting with match prepped 1911s. That practice, and competition was a huge basis of training for what would become defensive shooting for all sorts of LEO handguns during my career. Accuracy, trigger break, sight alignment and "point shooting" all were enhanced by the exposure to this training. The sheer familiarity of handgun shooting was a platform that helped me a lot.
Boxing teaches footwork and adversary proximity. How many bar fights that I have witnessed, where a would be slugger misses his opponent's face by 6 inches because he thought he was close enough to connect. Boxing, Tae Kwon do, Tae Chi, Aikido all help you understand those proximics and body mechanics; way better than thinking you are a legend in your own mind...
 
Boxing in a gym, with gloves on and headgear, will get you killed on the street.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top